Some interesting numbers for the S:
0-60 (sec): 4.3 (4.3 w/ TC on)
A bit different than the 3.9 by Motor Trend.
Still impressive for a comparison between one vehicle that will cost you SERIOUS $$$$ per year to fuel, and another that will only cost a measly $ to power. One that still makes you feel like an avarage joe in bad traffic, and another that make you feel like a VIP! One that has luxury tec equivalent to most cars built over the last twenty years, and another that is 20 years in the future.
Comparing anything to a Porsche is the equivalent of starting at the highest bar, and going down. NO car designed and built in the USA in history has EVER remotely come close.
Love this. So great that the S is comparable with the best cars in the world. Come on Tesla, ramp up production so we can start driving them!! :)
with the TC on Model S Numbers on acceleration are better, Model S is heavier but has better breaking
The 3.9 by Motor Trend was with a 1-foot "rollout" - as you see in this testing they did a 1-foot rollout and got a 4.0. It's not uncommon for auto manufacturers to claim 0-60 times including rollouts - Tesla did not.
Very impressive that it takes a 4-door vehicle costing $18k more than the Model S to marginally surpass it in the non-braking performance tests.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the "TC" that they referred to in the tests? It didn't seem to have much effect on the Tesla, but it mattered a lot on the Porsche.
TC = Traction Control.
I love the fact that the Model S stops just as quickly as the Porsche. Heck, it's a darn PORSCHE!
Also, the closest sound level numbers are at 70mph cruising. The delta is over 3db. Remember, every 3 db is a doubling of sound level. This is awesome.
Noticed TC makes a huge diff. with the P., not much with the S.
The safety features related to brakes and drive train are:
TC = Traction control (no tire spin) VSC = Vehicle stability control (no doughnuts) BA = Brake assist (senses a panic stop and adds braking) ABS= Anti-lock braking system (no skids) BO = Brake override (pressing both pedals cancels acceleration)
The report indicates these are the tires used on the Model S: Tire Size (front): 245/35ZR21 Tire Size (rear): 265/35ZR21 (101Y)
That's not the stock width for the rear tires.
"Acceleration: As you would expect with a ton of instant torque, it gets off the line in a hurry, with no wheelspin whatsoever. Just endless forward thrust. The first and second runs were the quickest, and after that it just got slower and slower despite having plenty of charge. By the sixth and final run it was 0.3 second slower."
I wonder why ? It looks like they did have plenty of battery life still, maybe because of cooling issues ?
Cooling. Roadster slows much more, w just air cooling.
The Panamera stands at the end of 100 years ICE and symbols the peak of it's development. In this period a combined amount of trillions of euros was invested. It will not get much better then this.
The Model S stands at the very beginning of EV development. The investments in the EV compared to the ICE are invisibly small. Nevertheless it is already very close to beating the Porsche. Maybe it already does.
On which concept would you bet your money for the future?
I look at it this way: for my Ford Escape Hybrid and other cars that have a hybrid or electric version, I pay a premium of 20% - 30% to go green. With the Tesla, I pay no premium and make no compromises.
DouglasR@ Realistically we are paying a huge premium since the power train is so much simpler than ICE. Most of the cost and weight is the battery, that is effectively a fuel tank. I believe EVs are here to stay and is the future, but that "fuel tank" will be replaced with a much smaller version or by a built in power plant (fuel cell).
Motortrend track test of a rolling 0-60 on the Model S are reported 4.9 seconds. Meaning the Porsche is superior only in the non-rolling 0-60 by 0.2 seconds (Edmunds Model S 4.3 non-rolling 0-60). This is amazing given that a loaded Porsche Pan GTS is just a wee bit more expensive at over $125,000 with no tax credit, lifetime gas costs, and sales tax. Some pluses for the Pan GTS are that you can get adaptive cruise and park assist. Hopefully that will be a $3K or less upgrade for the S since it comes wired to add those features.
sergiyz, while the power train might be simpler the battery tech is not. No other manufacturer has figured out how to get the range and power output Tesla has. I call that a trade in complexities.
I still doubt the prices will come down on future Model S cars as battery prices drop. I think Tesla will just create a better battery pack (more range, more power, faster car) with newer more advanced batteries and hold the price the same. Other options will also become standard that are not even available yet.... but that's just my prediction.
Walla2, you meant 3.9 sec 0-60 rolling...?
In real life everyday driving, you want the TC on. So Model S beats the pants off Panamera.
sergizy@, by "paying a premium," I meant paying more for a car that uses little or no gasoline compared to an otherwise identical gasoline powered car. Unlike the Ford Escape and various other established models, there is no all gasoline-powered Model S, so the comparison is not entirely appropriate. But we do not pay a premium for the Model S's fuel efficiency compared to other sedans of comparable size, performance, features, etc., and I like that.
My thought exactly Tiebreaker. Not that I have EVER raced anyone on the streets as a kid before but IF I had done such a thing I would have found it difficult to ask the opponent to wait while I reprogram my car for racing. He/she would laugh and leave me in the dust.
The hybrid components of the Prius add about $500 to the cost of the car. The rest of the so-called premium comes from more options that are standard and the reviewers' penchant to compare the Prius against sub-compact cars (which are the only cars that come close to the Prius in fuel economy and really don't come very close). If they compared them to other mid-sized cars there wouldn't be a premium. Of course, then they'd have nothing to complain about.
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