Anyone notice the performance plus package. Upgraded linkages etc.
DC@Tesla, are you comparing the non-Performance 85kw to the Performance model, or two Performance models, one with the new suspension upgrade ($6500) and one without? I'm interested to know if there is a noticeable difference between the last two...
Nobody has received or even driven the performance upgrade - it was just announced!
That is correct. I just got off the phone with sales and they said the same thing. I will definitely hold off until I have more information, as I want more of a "supercar" feel, as they say in their description. The sales guy also said they have talked about more supportive seats. I would like to see seats that have adjustable lateral supports that you can bring into your sides to really hold you in place when you corner. Don't know if that will ever happen, but I'm really hoping!
@rdalcanto Yes, I was comparing a non-performance 85 with P85 and was immediately sold on the P85. The P85 rode a lot better even while cruising. I am at the limits of what I would spend for this car and can't decide if supposed better handling of the perf plus is worth the added cost.
It will be worth it to me if they can really improve the handling. In testing by Edmunds, the p85 made it through the slalom at a pretty slow 66.8mph with 0.86G on the skid pad. To put that into perspective, the BMW SUV X6M with 500lbs more weight and a much higher center of gravity, did 68.6mph and 0.91G. Faster are also the Panamera GTS, BMW M3 and M5, Audi A6, Cadillac CTS, etc. With the really low center of gravity on the Tesla, if they get the suspension right, it should blow them all away.
Actually, Elon's car was a "test vehicle" for the P+, and it was used in a few demo/test drive events, so a few people may have experienced it.
Update from Elon himself (the first part refers to the headliner issue I had):
"Yeah, I have now insisted that even the tiniest (this was obviously not tiny) change to the car requires a physical inspection and buy off from me. The headliner change shouldn’t have happened.
The exact price of the P+ retrofit is still tbd. It would be $6500 plus whatever the labor cost is. Unfortunately, this is a major operation, so labor cost is high -- $8500 to $9500 is about right.
Tesla cannot do partial upgrades, as we have to test the heck out of anything that we provide as a manufacturer for regulatory compliance and liability. However, as an end customer, you are allowed to do whatever you want to your car, even if not FMVSS compliant."
So, I gather we can order parts separately and have them installed at the service center, just not part of the entire package (which I'm ok with). For example, just order two separate rear wheels if need be. Or just the suspension bits.
Seats definitely need better lateral support, and the foot rest has to be replaced, it's way too narrow. It's still a lot of fun to drive, a perfect match for Bay Area roads ;)
@EMDoc You may be able to order the parts you want, but a Tesla service center wouldn't be able to only install part of the package; it'd be a home garage job because Tesla has to stay safety compliant in its service centers.
I assume many garages would be more than willing to install the parts. They must be under different safety standards, or else the aftermarket would not be near as big for cars.
To follow-up on my earlier post (page 2) I've asked Tesla for the clarification on how Performance + package achieves 8-12 miles improvement in range. Tesla's response below.
Thank you for emailing Tesla Motors. You have a good question and we would like to explain. The Performance Plus Package comes with Michelin Pilot Sports. These tires are made of a compound that allow for greater rolling distance which will improve your range. The tires that come with the Model S Performance without the Performance Plus Package are Continental Extreme Contacts, these tires are made of a different compound that does not have the same level of rolling distance as the Michelins.
That is so strange. BMW is more than willing to install whatever parts you choose, especially if bought from Tesla. I do appreciate not having to deal with a "dealership" though.
I wonder whether this increased range is compared to what you would otherwise get with 21" wheels? In other words, the Performance Plus gives you the range you would get with 19" wheels.
Increased rolling resistance should reduce range, but improve grip and acceleration.
@DouglasR | APRIL 16, 2013: In other words, the Performance Plus gives you the range you would get with 19" wheels.
So probably getting Michelin Primacy™ MXM4® tires would allow a 19" wheeled cars to get even better range than they already do.
P plus does not include 21 wheels! As of yesterday!
That is a strange comment for Tesla Motors to state saying that the Model S P85 comes with Continentals, and therefore has more rolling resistance. My P85 has Michelins from the factory???? and I don't have the P Plus package. Hmmmmmmm
Timothy F, I think they are talking about specific Michelin summer tires that are being used for the cars with Performance +, as opposed to the Continentals that come with 19" wheels.
Brian H, rolling resistance and grip are different things. Low rolling resistance and good grip are therefore not mutually exclusive.
So basically its a $10,000.00 Package. Is it worth it? I feel I was a little conned into it. When I asked Tesla reps I was told the 21 wheels it was included in the $6500. I guess I should have added up the totals. I misread the cost totals and should not have assumed. I'm finding out more and more I cannot completely trust Tesla reps. $10K seems quite pricy for a small performance upgrade.
@TINO F I think they had some supply issues with the 21" Continentals for a period of time and substituted in the (superior IMHO) Michelin PS tires for the lucky few who took delivery around that time.
The Michelin PS cost about $1000 per set more than the Continentals per tirerack.com, and I also was lucky enough to get them on the P85 when the 21s were included. I would expect with the wider rims on the P+ package, you would lose the ability to rotate the tires at 6000 miles and would need to replace the rear tires much sooner than without the P+ package. I would rather preserve the ability to rotate the tires than have the incremental improvement in handling which would further increase the odds of me getting pulled over while having fun on open twisty roads.
Not a consideration for Elon; he just wanted to match the McLaren.
I too got the Michelin PS on my 60 (noN-perf, of course) with 21's instead of the Continentals.
I live in a part of the world where I need to shift to studded winter tyres for several months each year; does that mean that I shouldn't even consider the performance plus package, as it requires the 21" tyres in the rear?
It doesn't require 21" wheels, you can use 19" wheels in the winter. You cannot however order the suspension upgrades seøarately, you need to order the 21" wheels also. Several Norwegians did not like this limitation either, also finding this package overpriced.
It doesn't require 21" wheels, you can use 19" wheels in the winter. You cannot however order the suspension upgrades separately, you need to order the 21" wheels also. Several Norwegians did not like this limitation either, also finding this package overpriced.
So, for the sake of total clarity: when it says in the Design Studio that the P+ Package "requires 21 inch wheels", does that only mean that I can't order it without also ordering 21" wheels, while it is still possible to shift to 19" wheels in winter?
OK, I see now that that's exactly what you said, sorry for repeating the question. Thanks!
@Svante....I asked this same question to tesla rep. According to the Tesla engineers, the upgrade to the PP package needs the 21" wheels with wider rear wheels to get the most out of the package. You can put 19" wheels/snows on it when needed but the design is set up to maximize handling with 21" wheels/tires. My 'S' is in production and I did upgrade to the PP. I figure that I will be eating lots of hot dogs/mac & cheese to afford the upgrade.
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