Anyone notice the performance plus package. Upgraded linkages etc.
@Svante....And you can NOT order the PP with 19" wheels.
I see. Until this package came up I had planned to go with the Performance with 21" wheels and in addition order an extra set of studded 19" winter tyres for use in winter. Then I wasn't sure whether it would even be possible (regardless the price) for me to choose the Performance Plus (with the new 21" inch tyres) and still shift to 19" tyres in winter, but now I understand that it is in fact possible. For a moment I thought I didn't even have to consider the PP (since being able to shift to studded tyres is absolutely required where I live) but now it seems like I'm back to having to make the hard choice... :-)
I live in Delaware where we do get some winters where there is considerable snow from Jan-early March. I intend to get the PP package and buy a second set of 19" wheels with some all season tires or maybe even plain old snow tires.
I also inquired about getting the 19" wheels with TPMs on them from Tesla. To date, they do not sell their 19" wheels. I intend to get them from one of the online places..like tire rack.
It also appears that you can get 20" wheel/snow tire sets that will fit this car.
Speculation always seems to fill a knowledge gap. We do not know a lot about the P+ package so let's speculate some more. I've provided a first attempt at a factual rating for each of my comments. Lets call it a BS factor with 0 being an absolute certainty and 10 being complete fabrication.
(2) I built a set of upper rear arms to adjust the rear suspension. I could not locate the vendor for the suspension bushings so I built tools to press out the original Tesla bits and press them into my new arms. I bring this up because someone mentioned above that the retrofit kit consisted of upper and lower arms with new bushings. The geometry is reasonably aggressive in the rear (thus my suspension change) so I am assuming the P+ changes are bushings only. If that is the case, then simply supplying the bushings for swapping out would be the way to achieve the desired result at a fraction of the cost.
(7) The sway bars can not be swapped….. The mounting point separation is fairly large so there is very little stress on the mounting points. Everything else under MS is stout to say the least so I suspect the bar mounting points can accept the stresses driven by larger ID bars. I would not think mounting points would be the reason you can not do the bars. The rear bar does pivot to the front of the drive unit and simply may not be removable without dropping the whole drive assembly. If this is the reason for not doing a field upgrade of the bars then one would simply need to cut the existing bar to remove it then use a splined replacement upgrade. This approach is used all over the racing world by people much more anal than the average MS owner.
(3) Most street cars are built with understeer or push. This means that the front will tend to slide before the rear when cornering. The reason for this is simple; when you get into a corner with too much energy the front wheels will start to slip. Most people's natural reaction is to either turn the wheel a bit more (obviously does not work and will be instantly apparent) and/or lift from the throttle. Lifting transfers weight to the front tires and allows the car to turn. In control terms this is called a damped system. The response increases stability. Conversely, lifting off the throttle when the back end steps out likewise transfers weight to the front tires which increases rotation. This is obviously a non-stable situation and will soon have the driver looking at where he just came from.
Increasing rear stiffness with bushings will increase transitional stability (the rear will take a set faster and feel more responsive) at the expense of mechanical grip. My guess is that the larger rear tires are added to return the lost mechanical grip and keep the car balanced towards understeer. I suspect my preference will be the same tire all the way around (for ease of rotation) and a more neutral car. This would be food for thought when considering if you wanted or needed the larger rear rims/tires.
(6) The dampers can be swapped…… MS uses the MB air spring/damper units and there is no reason that I can think of that you can not simply swap them out. I've considered having the dampers re-valved but would like to know if Tesla has increased the spring rate of the air springs before heading down that path. The real caveat for me is if Tesla made a change in their stability control firmware for the P+ package.
Please feel free to adjust my BS factor or otherwise correct me. I've been promised a call from chassis engineering to discuss my changes and the P+ package. I'll post what I'm permitted after the call.
Just spoke with a friend who is ordering a P85+. Apparently, you have to order the 21" wheels (3.5k) as a prerequisite to the performance plus package (6.5k) even if you plan to swap out the wheels or tires. While I understand the need to manage liability for after-market, safety, etc. that does end up being wasteful - of customer money and resources.
Also @admjr, I ordered new wheels and tires from tire rack and bought tpms and center caps from the Rockville service center, but unfortunately center caps are too small for my wheels. So, FYI, if you want the Tesla logo center caps, you need a 2.25" opening in the wheels.
Does any know if the performance package plus (ppp) with the 21" tires, have same driving range as non ppp with 19" tires. Or does it have slightly longer/shorter?
If both options have the same range, the ppp with 19" tires would have longer driving range, than non ppp with 19"?
It looks to me like the Performance Plus package is 6500 + 3500 extra in cost. I ordered my car the 1st of April and the sales person did not let me know of that option. I am trying to add it now but it looks like this does cost an extra 10k. Does anyone know the answer to this question? In my previous order the 21 inch tires/rims were no extra charge.
Also, it looks like there is no option for a sunroof with the performance plus package? Can anyone help me out with this? Since I ordered the sunroof (have not taken delivery) are they not allowing the sunroof with the performance plus package due to stability issues? Anyone?
I also noticed that there was a destination and regulatory doc fee of 1170 on my order from the beginning of April that is now included. Does anyone know about this?
I have a multi-coat red delivery window May 8th-May 22 with everything on it including pano roof, rear facing seats, carbon fiber, black interior, twin charger, hwpc, tech, audio. So I hope it does come with the pano roof. I will post if that is not the case.
Sorry I left out it is performance plus
I ordered performance plus with sunroof. No problems....
Also the extra wide 21 inch wheels are included in the $6500 price.
So is the cost 6500 or is or is it 6500 + 3500 (for the 21 inch tires)for the performance plus package? My 21 inch tires were included in my previous order at no cost.
Well, I guess I was wrong. I just went to design studio and pretended to order another car. When I do cash, and then click on the Performance Plus package, the price goes up $10K instead of just $6500K. A little deceiving....
The performance Plus requires 21" wheels, that are automatically added once the package is selected. So the price is 6500 + 3500. The additional feature included in the Performance Plus in addition to the usual 21" wheels is wider rear tires:
"the rear tires are 20 mm wider and staggered for improved acceleration on low grip surfaces"
I thought I was going to be charged an additional $6500 for the better suspension and the promise of better handling. Steep price tag, but I decided to go for it because I want "super car" handling. For an additional $10,000, the Performance Plus package had better blow me away!
cb9: Thanks for the info about the wheels. I also got a 19" wheel and snow tire set from Tire Rack. They came today....I won't have the car for another month :)
Actually, I got the tire/wheel set because this time of year most of the real snow tires..like Blizzaks go on sale.
As many have posted: The Total cost of the P+ package is 10K..steep but as many others have pointed out if you go from an A4 to an S4 or a 330 to an M3, etc..the price tag jumps at least that much.
My car is 'in production' and had the panoramic roof with the P+ package. Since I am being charged for the pano roof I assume it will be there.
I'm calling them tomorrow, not sure why the old price included the 21 in tires and the new one does not. I understand that the new tires are wider in back but it seems like there is no credit for what used to be free. Also, not sure why they charged for car delivery before and now its included. I am going to need to get clarification.
Talked to Tesla, looks like I can change my order and get the performance plus. The problem is I did get the 21" inch wheels for free before and now I need to pay for them so the real cost is 6500 + 3500. Don't think I am going to opt for the Plus unless someone who has it can tell me that it's worth the extra. It does not change the look at all (except for the fact that the rear tires are wider) and the performance is such a great car already. Not sure it's worth it.Anyone get it yet?
Not just wider rear tire but you also get the stickier Michelin PSII instead of the original Conti.
Nobody has gotten one yet (except Elon). The first batch according to Tesla (I called yesterday) is rolling off the assembly line in second half of May.
That means my car will be in the first batch. That makes me a little nervous. I hope they get it right....
We are in the same boat here rdalcanto. Even if they screw up (unlikely since they've been testing P+ model for atleast 6 months) I think Tesla is the kind of company that will fix it until it's perfect.
Sorry if this is a repeat question. Is the P+ package wider wheels or wider tires on the same 21" wheel as P? The site (Options page) verbiage, makes it sound like the former: "the rear tires are 20 mm wider".
End of line date for the P+ package I ordered is May 12th. Since I am on the east coast it will be late May before I see it. I am not worried about the quality control on them. If anything, they will probably be more closely monitored earlier in the run. Rdalcanto and KOLl200...happy motoring! Let me know when you actually get yours and let me know what you think.
Thanks Admjr, will do!! I'll post a full review and comparo with my 2008 M3 sedan :)
heams; Actually, your quote indicates it's the latter. Wider rubber, not metal.
I will certainly post a review after I receive my car, and compare the handling to my 911. There is also a P85 5 minutes from me, and I'm sure we will get together so we can compare the performance plus side by side with a regular P85.
@heems and Brian H: Both are wider. This is Teslas reply to me on that exact question:
“Performance Plus includes the normal 21" wheel up front and a wider rear wheel: 21x9" vs a normal 21x8.5" rear wheel. All wheels are wrapped in Michelin PS2 tires (Michelin Pilot Sport 2: 245/35R21 ; 265/35R21). Both silver or grey are offered.”
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