We’re 10 days away from 2012. Around the office, we’re calling it The Year of Model S.
I hope to be the owner of a new Model S with the closest home address to your Menlo Park showroom!
550 Morey Drive, just down Middle. Very excited!
From what I can tell the 40 kwh battery (the car my budget can afford) will not be able to utilize the supercharging stations. If this is correct, I am very disappointed. A trip to LA in the base model S will require three charges or 15.6 hours of charging if my math is correct. Is there any plans for upgrading the 40 kwh battery to allow access to the superchanrging stations before I commit to the purchase?
I AM SO EXCITED! I can't wait to order mine!
1) Pricing is good - but regarding the Performance Version. 21" Performance tires don't perform well on the rainy conditions and in snow. Probably some customers may like the 4.4 sec. acceleration - but may prefer an all seasons tires instead...so probably the customer should be given a credit for all seasons tires, which can be used to get the panoromic roof
2) I am planing to buy 2 teslas - charging port should be on both sides or should be a configurable options. I don't want my garage to have cables running all over the place
3) Customer's don't like uncertainty. The price should include 8 years of standard maintenance ..or .. customers should be able to buy 4 years, 6 years or 8 years of standard maintenance at the time of purchase or within 12 months of purchase
4) For me the buy or no buy decision will boil down to this....I will test drive the Model S car in night, and go over HWY 92 in night ...I should be able to see the turns on HWY 92 going into Half Moon Bay without putting the high beams..
5) For me the buy or no buy decision will also boil down to this. I will test drive the Model S car... Take it to the Safeway parking, and see warns me, when I am parking and prevent the car from going into the pavement. My Porsche Panamera does not warn...and I have made many scratches under the front hood, as I always park over the pavment
6) We want both both front and back sensors... Sensors that really work
7) We like Tesla...because they are just like us...engineers...So lets be honest. No body drives at 55 mph. On Freeways I drive at 74 mph on an average. TELL me how many mile will Model S go if I am driving at 74 miles per hour. Basically take HWY 5 to LA and tell us that number.
8) On Streets, we drive at 35 miles per hour. So tell us honestly. Take a Model S..and Drive it in Streets of Fremont, CA for 5 hours at 35 mph with signal lights etc...and tell us how many miles it can go.
9) The overall press release you did was very good....but when you said 300 miles at 55 mph ...Tesla has lost its credibility there and then. Please do 7 and 8 as described above. Don't give us the B.S it depends on conditions. You define the conditions and tell us.
10) You saying 300 miles at 55 is raising concerns that if you drive faster,,, the life of the car will be reduced. I drive my Porsche Panamera at 90 - 95 mph...and after 2 years it still drives like i just got it from the showroom...can you say that for Model S??
11) Keep up the good work...Telsa should emphasize that they are not just another car company
I have a question about the pricing: "$49,900 after federal tax credits". Does this means that the price is actually: $57,400?
Does that also mean that the price of the fully loaded car is over $100,000?
What I dont understand is why the signature is MORE expensive for those of us that put $40k down years ago? It seems that the only difference is a bit faster acceleration?
MERRY CHRISTMAS TESLA !!!!
I'm so excited!
Is this blog ipad friendly? I keep getting denied based on ip...
Sorry to hear the RED did not make first production. I too am very excited, lets get those machines rolling off the line!
Exciting times are ahead in 2012. Good to know the pricing and option details. Will go over more carefully and see if any useful suggestions can be made that will benefit more folks.
Thank you Elon and everyone at TESLA for the best car …. of any kind! P469 with the performance upgrade !!!!
Maybe I'm in the minority (of 1) but I always planned on getting a base model, 160 mile battery. I was willing to accept some tradeoffs -- this will still be the most expensive car I've ever purchased. I'm most bummed about not having access to the supercharging stations. If there's a technical reason for this (a valid one) it would be great to know why.
My initial reaction is that a base Model S doesn't feel like a car I want to own. And I don't think I'm going to be comfortable driving in a $70,000 car (even $50,000 was a stretch).
I've been a fan of Tesla from Day 1 (reservation P127). Now I'm thinking I need to come to terms with not owning a Tesla after all.
I am quite excited about this announcement, but I am not certain what was the point of the Signature series. Was putting down 40k just to have Signature written on the back of the car? Seems to me there should be many features in the Sig to be somewhat compatible the performance model.
Clearly, more information is required from Tesla about the Signature series. Hope this was just not a gimmick.
What is the signature edition being delivered with and what is it's pricing?
TRIPAT Comment reaction:
This is very good feedback. It is clear on the first sight TRIPAT knows what he is talking about. I think Tesla is great both of them, and i am also looking forward to model X. I definitely want to buy one of model S. I have my own business, so i know how it goes, when you want to sell something, even if it is good. All the specs you presenting to people looks nice, but reality can be different in many ways. For example I would be very interested how would the points 7 and 8 of TRIPAT feedback goes. My opinion is very similar to TRIPAT°s. I am planning to buy one at first to get first hand experience and do my own tests. Depending on the result i am planning to buy about 50 fifty of them as contribution to car rental business. Just one question at an end (except TRIPAT°s enquiries) how long the batteries will long lasting, how can i anticipate the battery persistence. In other words when will the battery pack need to be replaced(hours of work/miles). I know it depends on many factors, but lets say a bit aggressive style of driving.
Comment to TRIPAT°s feedback:
I really like feedback that TRIPAT gave you. On a first sight you can see, that he knows what he is talking about. There is a lot of people like him or me, whose are concerned about these questions. I would be very interested, what would the answer to points 7,8 be.
Besides the questions that TRIPAT asked, i would like to know when do you expect battery pack will need to be replaced(hours of work/ driven miles). I know it depends on many factors so lets say my driving style is a bit more aggressive than average user, and i will be driving on highways and in the city 50:50. I am also interested how model S works in cold whether minus 10 to minus 40, aren°t there any problems with electronics in car?
I have my own business, so i know how is it, when you are selling something, even if it is good. What you present to us is great stuff and i admire what Tesla achieve and i am looking forward to model X btw., but in reality some specs about model S can be markedly different. My most concern is driven miles per one charge.
Anyway i definitely going to buy one of these 85kw version and test it myself. Depends on the results of these test i am planning to buy maybe fifty maybe more of them for my car rental business. Model S is very progressive car , environment friendly with perfect look and competitive price. Good work Tesla. Despite some doubts i am so excited and am looking forward o moment when i get one of them in my hands. Keep up in good work. :)
Please clarify: It cost $3,750 to have a navigation system? A navigation system should be standard on any car costing $50,000 these days. You show off your 17 inch display with pictures of the navigation system for goodness sakes. Who will want this car without a navigation system? You have effectively raised the price of the car by $3,750. Does this bother any other reservation holders out there? I feel betrayed.
For me it boils down to whether the Tesla S has the capability to be my only car. Friends bought a Nissan Leaf but say that given its range you will always need to have a second car. So I concur with Tripat, more information on the real-world energy consumption is needed. And if Tesla does not provide that the rest of us more pragmatic people will wait a year after car release to see what people write about their actual experiences.
Very exiting news!
However, people with a Signature reservation might want to do the following math exercise:
[Model S Signature]
[Standard Model S 85 kWh/300 miles + add all options which are standard for Signature]
The result should be USD ~3.000, i.e. it seems like you can build a Signature based on a Standard and save USD 3.000!?
Which extras are left for the Signature reservation holder?
- Signature Red
- Badges, inscriptions
- Optional white leather
- Prioritized delivery
This better not be true, and, knowing Tesla, I am sure that it is not. So better get this info updated in a hurry before you scare anyone away from the Sig.
I will be checking this more carefully and will post updates if relevant. Comments are more than welcome!
Nice pricing! I love the rear facing seat option! Now I just need to save up enough $$$
Can you please clarify the standard equipment on the "Signature" series model? Perhaps I'm missing something, but there doesn't seem to be any appreciable difference from the standard 85kwh model other than the $18K price difference and earlier delivery. Are any of the "options" standard (premium music system, panoramic roof, etc.)? Furthermore, there are less color choices and I'm not too excited about the limited "Signature color options." Are there any distinguishing characteristics? Unless I'm evaluating the information incorrectly, I expected MUCH more from my $40K reservation fee and the large price difference.
I also agree with the post above regarding the option for all season tires on the performance model.
We're excited - thanks for not increasing the pricing!
Please consider supercharging for all models even as an extra cost option. I assume this is the 440VDC charging system that bypasses the on-board AC charger.
If you get the tech package (with 16 GB drive) do you get expanded storage for music on board with the standard sound system? Is there a discount if you get the tech package and the sound music package or do you get two 16 GB drives when both are purchased?
Also I hope you expand the color selection like the roadster. Most colors are quite dark - not ideal for hot climates, with only white/silver on the light side. How about adding Glacier Blue?
I am so excited! I was fortunate enough to have been able to sit in and have an interior demonstration of the Beta at the new Fashion Island Showroom and the car is simply amazing...and beautiful! (I was also able to attend the "Test Ride" event a few months back as well...and I can assure you it's an exciting ride!)
I will say I'm a bit confused (and maybe disappointed is a better word) if I'm understanding the pricing right. It appears the Signature Series Reservation Holders will actually pay a $4,300 PREMIUM over a similarly equipt (non-Signature) Model S.
For example, if I add up all the features listed on the Signature Series Pricing Page I come up with a total (after Federal Tax Credit?) of $83,600, however, the Signature Series list price is $87,900.
I've been under the impression Signature Series Reservation Holders (including myself) were going to be "rewarded" for their early and large pledge of support via the $40K deposit.
Am I missing something???
I agree with TRIPAT's post item 5, that the front end is hung over way too far and one is likely to hit the curbs in the parking lot and scrape the bottom of the bumper or air dam. Warning Sensors are a must to prevent this.
I sat in the prototype at the San Jose show room and felt that the seats were a bit too stiff (lacking padding)for comfort. With the performance tires offered, every little bump will be transmitted straight through thus further magnifying the discomfort. For those of us who have lost their natural padding, please provide some. Have some skinny folks test drive and give their impressions. Throwing a cushion over the seat to overcome this will take away from the smart interior design.
At the Beta reveal, in Princton NJ, I heard that NJ has offered no sales tax and other states were comtemplating doing the same or some form of rebate. That would certainly allow for me to load up on options. I'm hoping we hear news like this for NY.
-> cosmomusic, kelly
Seems like we have noticed the same thing. If this is the final word, it would be a very, very serious issue for Signature reservation holders. I am trying to get more info from Tesla and will post here - could you do the same, please?
I'm glad someone else mentioned this as well, but the pricing on the Signature S makes no sense. Assuming I wanted all of the options, I can buy a fully loaded Model S and save a $3-$4k. The only thing other than a Signature badge and maybe color is the 6 month time delivery difference.
Considering we plunked down $40k for over 2 years, its seems like we are paying a premium to do buy the Signature S (unless you are getting the $10k credit as a previous Roadster owner)
I would like the SIG much. But pricing is disappointing. Better skip the signature reservation with unwanted and expensive items and get a model from the regular production half year later with all the teething troubles being wiped out.
Please confirm that the Signature is CHEAPER than the fully loaded S in comparison!
Overall, I'm ecstatic to see things moving forward and closer to my garage. A few notes of feedback
- Supercharge not available for the 160mi model? That's the one that needs it most desperately. I don't know if this is a tactical decision to drive more to bigger batteries or a technology decision based on the specs of the pack, but not impressed.
- Navigation system: you've got a big 17" screen and all the electronics there ready to go and they are charging an additional nearly $4k for gps? That seems ludicrous. I hope there is some option for this standard. Even if it is just using google maps and not the "turn by turn."
- There should be an all-weather 21" option. Those of us near headquarters tend to like to go to tahoe in the winter and really need the traction. please reconsider.
I too, would like to see the supercharging option for my 40KW base model and don't mind paying for it. Charge time reduction is critical when I am on the road. TM, please re-visit this option.
No mention of seat cooling. That is disappointing.
Great news. Need wireless charging option.
Just confirmed that the Signature S versus similarly loaded Model S (assumining you want all the options)actually costs $4k more. What you get is:
-6 month earlier delivery
-Special Signature Red trim
Considering I put my $40k over two years ago, this is very disappointing, and seriously considering cancelling. Unless you got the $10k discount for being a roadster owner, I don't know why anyone would pay for the Signature S
C'mon guys. Signature reservation holders put down $40k to get early delivery, pure and simple. Complaining about any lack of additional favors sounds a little childish. We want the company to be successful, right? Of course, it would be nice if the Signature was more distinguishing, but that's not why you and I put up $40k instead of $5k. We wanted it early and that is exactly what we will get.
That said, I wouldn't complain if my Signature (#448) arrived with a set of Signature Series exclusive frunk-fitted luggage.
what? you are not willing to pay $3550 extra (not $4300 quoted above) for the Red color and getting the limited edition signature car sooner? then don't! come on, sounds fair to me.
I agree with many of the posters. Navigation package shouldn't cost so much especially when your incremental cost is minimal.
I am looking forward to the coming year with great anticipation and this car will be a great part of that.
I too am surprised on this initial pricing... as a Signature reservation holder (S56) in Canada, we don't yet know the pricing and option details for our market, but I had fairly clearly heard while at the Canadian debut of the beta model S in downtown Toronto a month or two back, that the interior trim for Signature would be quite distinctive and clearly set the Signature apart. The perforated seats were going to be air conditioned and heated, for example - but I see no mention of this in the released pricing/option text (even the Lincoln has air conditioned seats - so I'm sure that this is simply a typo in the Signature details).
I also made the trip to California for the factory tour and after Elon's presentation and announcement of an option for even better acceleration, I asked about whether this would be offered to Signature buyers and the only answer I rec'd at the time was that the Signature would include all options and thus was likely to include any performance upgrades... looks to me that somehow the Signature no longer includes not only the performance upgrade, but is missing others like the glass roof and speedy wall charger which must be purchased separately.
It looks to me like someone at the last minute decided to de-content the Signature without noticing that the standard model can now be fitted out for roughly the same cost - thus negating the previously expressed benefit of reserving a Signature. I'd be very surprised if there is not a revision to this initial pricing/option sheet - and even more surprised and disappointed if the air conditioned seats and other upmarket options are not included in the Signature edition.
As an aside, it was great to see mention of the snow issue - and how the Active suspension will help raise the Model S for snow conditions - I have not seen, however, any notes about the extremely low, front radiator and scoop at the front of the vehicle... this issue, especially for those that periodically hit large chunks of ice dropping from tractor-trailer wheel wells, doesn't seem to be going away. Even with Active suspension lifting the vehicle, that very low radiator and thin tube support bar remain a huge concern and most GT type designs, while keeping a fairly low front spoiler, ALWAYS move the radiator higher up to prevent frequent punctures. The Active suspension will have to lift the vehicle quite a ways up in order to get that radiator even remotely high enough to avoid these huge ice chunks.
Well, all this sounds great... So i finally have to start thinking about building a garage for my future car, including an 380V electric plug... :-)
My reservation number is S 12, Austria, Europe.
I agree with firstname.lastname@example.org
I can't imagine buying a 60-80K car that doesn't include navigation, especially given that the pictures show one! It looks like I have to pay an extra 5K+ to have heated seats and navigation.
I could go down on the range. But then they won't let me use their charging stations!
Now I am beginning to resign myself to a Chevy Volt. I suspect that everybody's numbers can be multiplied by 0.6 or so.
Knowing that most people are used to paying maintenance and fuel costs down the road, I can understand the frustration at what seems to be a really expensive car, but please remember, folks, that maintenance and fuel savings amount to several thousands: Your car price is actually cheaper due to this.
That said, I do not understand why people want the first 10 years (or so) of maintenance to be an up front cost, after complaining about saving on maintenance down the road. No, it's never free maintenance for the first (X) years, no matter what BMW says.
Thanks for several years of great dreams, finally to be realized!
We are Model S Signature series reservation holder 279. When we put an additional $35k down in May of this year to upgrade our January reservation to Signature series, I was under the impression that this was a ~50% deposit and
that the Signature price, after the federal tax credit, was going to be ~$80,000. But it is now $87,900, even though press releases etc. yesterday said that Tesla was sticking to their original pricing scheme. Was I simply misinformed?
In looking at the options, I was disappointed to see that the glass roof is not considered standard on the Signature Series, and this would require an additional $1,500. I think this is a marketing mistake, as the Signature cars are going to be the strongest thing they have going to convince the rest of the world that Tesla is 'for real',
and the glass roof is a huge feature that makes the style even more unique. The Signature cars should be thought of as Tesla's 'loss leaders' as they will be the most important marketing tool you have in 2012.
That issue aside, I sought clarification on what I really bought by giving Tesla an additional $35 grand, with no interest on our end accruing for over 18 months. Here is what I understand from the web site pricing breakdown (and subsequent discussion with a Tesla customer service rep): As a Signature series holder, for $87,900 we get the 85kw battery, the leather interior upgrade, the Tech package,
the upgraded sound system, the Parcel shelf, and the Twin chargers. Plus we can choose the red color (which we will) with a paint upgrade that would cost non-signature owners $1,500, and are guaranteed an early spot in the line (279 for us!). However, if I had kept my original non-Signature reservation made in January of 2011, with number 2,900, I could order the Model S with the 85Kw battery ($69,900), the leather interior, active air suspension and performance wheels upgrade($5,000; listed at this price for an upgrade to the sport version), the Tech package ($,3750) the upgraded Sound system ($950), the Parcel shelf ($250), and the Twin Chargers ($1,500), the paint upgrade ($1,500) and get essentially the identical Signature car, except that I can't get red. The total of the above options is $82,850. I received a call from Tesla today, and they verified that they are in fact charging a $3,500 premium for the Signature series.(I'm missing something here, as the difference comes to $5,050 when I added it up). However, they assure me that there are other unique features in the interior of the Signature cars that are not yet evident, and that is what the $3,500 'premium' for a Signature car is for (and for the red color and an earlier spot in the line.) In my opinion, the 18 months of forgone interest on $35,000, and commitment to the company should be more than enough to buy the early spot in line and the red color. I guess I'd just like to know what the other $3,500 is for (not to mention the ~$7,900 hike in base price from the 'estimated' $80k price I was told when making the upgrade to Signature).
Although I have been a HUGE proponent of Tesla and have many interested friends who may be eager to jump on board once they see the Model S on the street, I have to say I'm feeling a bit ripped off at the moment. Getting the Signature series reservation holders up front was a huge marketing tool for Tesla and was instrumental in maintaining their stock price (which has not done well in the past few weeks, and may suffer more if there are lots of dissatisfied Signature series holders out there). To charge $3,500, plus 18+ months of interest on $35,000 (plus an increase in 'base price' of $8,700 over
what was initially discussed) for an early spot in line and perhaps a slightly fancier interior (yet to be specified)and red color is not good business practice. Early Customer satisfaction and loyalty to the brand is far more important at this stage of the game. Not including the glass roof as standard in the Signature series is also a bit of a 'slap in the face', as I expect most Signature Series reservation holders thought that would be standard (in fact, we were told at the new showroom in Bellevue, WA at their grand opening last month that the dealership personnel 'expected' that it would be part of the standard options for the Signature series, although they acknowledged that even they did not know for sure). At the least, they should include the glass roof as a no-cost, opt out option (like they did for the 21 inch wheels) for Signature series reservation holders.
So do other Signature Reservation holders have similar concerns?
I can't wait for my reservation number to come up and own this car. As the current owner of 335i Coupe, Model S is a little on the big side for me but I'm excited nonetheless. Big though has one risk for me. I have a small San Francisco garage and Model S will BARELY fit width wise without retractable mirrors. I hope that's at least an option.
Tesla is doing an amazing job. Keep it up.
My question is if the 40kwh battery is (roughly) half the weight of the 85kwh, why isn't it faster? Do they use a smaller capacity inverter? Is it a different heavier type of battery? What gives?
I hope Tesla will offer as an option, even on the base Model S, a collision avoidance package with full auto brake as well as lane departure / blind spot assist and related safety technologies. In particular, a full auto brake comparable or better than Volvo offers, which blends adaptive cruise control in stop-and-go traffic with full collision avoidance below about 30 km/hr (better than Mercedes which only applies 100% of braking power at 0.6sec, enough to mitigate a crash but not avoid one). My understanding is that these systems are made by 3rd party suppliers and while the software is proprietary the technology is not, so it could be licensed. This would also be fitting with the concept of the Model S, as a luxury sport sedan and daily commuting car. Companies such as Audi, BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo typically charge about $5k for such options.
When I made my reservation I asked the question directly as to what would be the difference between the Signature and standard vehicle. I was told the Signature series would be loaded, best battery, and the earliest delivery time. I ordered the standard Model S with the thought if I really wanted it sooner I would upgrade later. My original concern was the longevity of the company, would they even last long enough to build the Model S. I'm happy to see we're all still here.
First, I would like to say that I am impressed with what Tesla is doing and the progress that's been made over the years. It's phenomenal. I attended the Beta Event and factory tour, and was quite impressed. It also made me feel much more comfortable with my $40,000 deposit, after seeing the factory and getting a ride in the beta version. It felt much more "real", and I'm excited to receive my car.
While I think it's commendable that Tesla didn't raise the price on the low-end version of the Model S, the Signature reservation holders like myself were never told a price. That wasn't for lack of asking. Therefore, it's hard to really proclaim that "Tesla didn't raise prices". While I knew the "Signature edition" would carry a significant premium, personally I never expected a price north of $100,000 (before rebate).
I do have some specific feedback and questions:
1. It seems like I can configure the Model S Performance version to be virtually a Signature Performance, and do it for $92,100 instead of $97,900. That seems like a lot extra money to pay for some exterior carbon fiber trim pieces, and a few Signature color choices. Meanwhile, by choosing the Signature edition I end up with less interior leather color choices, which doesn't seem to make sense. I most likely want the silver exterior color, and the only leather option that would go with that in the Signature series is black. Personally, I would like the gray interior (much cooler in summer). The cost difference and lack of interior color choices are pushing me toward the Model S Performance version. Is there something else included in the Signature version that I'm missing?
2. I don't understand the game on the starting price for the Model S Performance. Why not just say outright that the starting price IS $84,900, like you structure it for all of the other versions. Trying to say it's $79,900 with a mandatory $5,000 "standard" option package, isn't consistent with the others, and is a bit confusing. Maybe I misunderstood something,
3. I appreciate that you're not requiring us to get the 21" wheels if we get one of the Performance versions. Thank you! The roads in California are much too riddled with pot holes, and I've already had to replace one of my BMW 335D 18" low-profile wheels because of them. This, plus the "all-season" tires, and the price differential for 21" vs. 19" replacement tires, will probably make me opt for the 19" wheels. However, the thing that I don't understand is that you don't provide a credit for the price difference of down-grading to the 19" wheels/tires. Was that an oversight?
4. The battery warranty seems excellent. However, there was no mention of the bumper-to-bumper warranty. For BMW's and other cars in this price range, it's typically 4 years/50,000 miles, and most include all maintenance for the 4 years (other than tires). Can you please tell us what the bumper-to-bumper warranty will be on the Model S? This is an important consideration for the first model-year of any new car.
5. You didn't mention anything in the "standard features" section about rain-sensing windshield wipers. This is a pretty standard feature for cars in this price range. Are those included in the Model S?
I look forward to your responses.
Merry Christmas to you and all of the great folks at Tesla.
A little expensive, but hey that is just a starting company. It needs to be expensive and excellent. This is just the beginning. In 10 years Tesla will dominate the market.
I'm disapppointed that the Performance model will not give me options for interior. Many people will like the Performance option and will pay for it, but will not like the carbon fiber look and would prefer, say the Banana Leaf wood trim option. Most car manufactures would give you options on interior trim even with the Performance option. My guess, a lot of people will not want the carbon fiber trim and will forego the Performance opton and save $10K...seems like a silly business decision on Tesla's part...don't you think?
EYAL, the answers are Yes, the actual base price is $57,400 and Yes, the fully loaded car with Performance package is well over $100,000.
With the Signature, you get the Red paint option, the white leather interior option, some badging, and early delivery. That's it.
So if you're not hung up on the "Signature Red", you'll save a lot of money by dropping down to the production queue.
Thank you for taking a risk and building the beautiful Model S.
In Oregon State we do not pay sales tax. Would we have to pay a sales tax?
We are looking at Model S (85 kWh). At this price some of the package items should be standard (glass panoramic roof, satellite equipped, parcel shelf). Why are they not?
Please provide a map/grid of Tesla’s supercharger network of stations.
Where/who would I take the car for maintenance, new battery etc. if Tesla goes out of business?
I have a Signature Roadster and will be getting a Signature Model S.
I always thought the point of paying up front was to get the car first. I never expected to get extra features. Tesla delighted me by throwing in a number of extra features and also by providing amazing customer service and never nickel-and-diming me when some issues arose with the early car.
If you don't mind waiting 6 months longer, then you should get the regular version.
I've been waiting for a car like this since I was 12 (I'm now 55).... So needless to say I'm pretty excited. (I even already have my solar panels to power the car ( https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/w4qf19000>/a> )).
I don't have a problem with Tesla quoting range numbers at 55 MPH since all other Electric cars quote there range at 55 MPH. This gives us a way to compare.
If you go to http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric/efficiency you will see a chart (I think it's for the Roaster) that shows efficiency over various speeds. My calculations/guess for the model S is that it will go 210 miles @ 75 MPH and 420 miles at 35 MPH.
Also http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/roadster-efficiency-and-range has some good information on the range at verses speed question, for the Roaster... but it should give you an idea about how the Model S's range will vary over speed (See charts a couple-of-screens down).
Question: The specs indicate the batteries can produce 160/230/300 miles ranges at 55 MPH on a full charge, implying that different speeds will produce different ranges.
How does that work at a constant 75 MPH? 30 MPH? Constant stop and go traffic?
If I go an average of 30 MPH on the 60kWh battery, will I get a 250 mile range?
While I am delighted to see this progress toward delivery of this amazing vehicle, I, too, am disappointed by the limited choices of exterior colors for the signature model. Any chance I could get a blue signature car by waiting to the end of the signature queue? I also agree that in California the 19 inch wheels may be a more practical option and may provide a better ride. I'll wait for a test drive with each to decide. I'm really looking forward to the news and events that will roll out in the coming months.
Tesla S in Winter? What cold weather provisions are there built into the design of the model S?
What effect do these have on battery life / mileage range? Winter items on such as interior heater, rear window defroster, etc?
In other words, if I am driving in winter with the interior heater and rear window defroster on, what % loss of mileage distance / range should I expect? My guess ~25% reduction in mileage?
I agree with Joshuabaer that it is worth the approximately $4K that the Signature Model S appears to cost in order to get the car earlier. It is also possible that Tesla will have a few more added features that will be provided on the Signature series. My only disappointment is that the exterior color choices for the Signature Model S are so limited. A red car does not appeal to me, and the blue color looks awesome. I hope there will be some way to get a blue Signature Model S.
It would also be nice if there was a credit for Signature buyers who choose the 19 inch wheels. I love how the 21 inch wheels look, but I fear that they will produce a rougher ride and may have trouble being durable on California roads. I will wait to have a test drive with both kinds of wheels before deciding, but right now, the 19 inch all weather tires seem more practical.
I WAS going to buy a Tesla Model S, in fact, I had my deposit check written out and ready to send in. Then I heard about the full deduction for SUVs over 6000 lbs in GVWR ending in 2011 and I had to take notice...
Then, the pricing came out and with just a few of the options I wanted I was well over the $49,900 for the basic model... actually, it came out to $61,300 for a base with the options I wanted (no upscale leather or performance wheels). A fully loaded high end performance signature model is north of $100k - I'm sorry, but that is just plain ridiculous.
So, instead of going with a Model S I picked up a used Porsche Cayenne Turbo (Certified with warranty). I'm both happy and sad with my decision. I really WANTED to be part of the new electric car generation and I wanted a car that would be FUN to drive. Well, the Porsche gives me everything I wanted except the electric AND I can afford it.
I'm going to have in my pocket at LEAST $20k, probably closer to $30k plus an additional $13k from the Porsche Deduction (total $43k) to spend on gas and maintenance just to make up the difference in cost and
I won't have to worry about limitations on driving distances. Even at $4/gal, that's 10,000 gallons or somewhere between 130k-180k miles before I use up that difference and I'm only planning on keeping it for 60-100k miles so it looks like I'll just about break even. Maybe then the price will be a bit more realistic, or, maybe then I won't care about price as much, but, for now, I'm happy with my decision!
And the Porsche has all those features I wanted on the Model S, plus a few more (AWD, Sport/Standard/Comfort air suspension),similar for transmission shifting), AND, it's an SUV with a towing capacity of 7700 lbs !!!
I'm really very sad about this because I was VERY MUCH in the Tesla camp until very recently. But they said up front that the base car would be very well configured. I do NOT consider that $3750 a reasonable figure. Navigation should be INCLUDED in that $50k base price. I think the bean counters have gotten hold of the engineers here and have them around their testicles and along the way they plan to get every last little penny they can. Well, at least for now, this is one DEFINITE buyer that is bailing.
As absolutely thrilled I am about the impending arrival of the Most Important Electric Car, the Tesla S, this year, I have grown concerned about the styling of the dashboard/interior. TESLA likes to compare the Model S to European benchmarks such as the Mercedes E class, Audi A6, and BMW 5-series (including in terms of pricing). Recently, I have seen a move away from the restrained and elegant dashboard design of the prototype to an in-your-face "bling" execution of recent pre-final models. Yet A timeless and high-quality execution of the interior is precisely the kind of design element that sets low-class pretenders (such as otherwise impressive recent Cadillac entries) apart from the confident classy pedigree of the European brands. The upshot is this - and it is likely to be a deal-breaker for me - please, TESLA, please do not give in to temptation of high-"fashion" (and thus highly ephemeral) interior design. Ask yourself: does it pass the Maserati Quattroporte test, admittedly among the most tasteful of car designs inside and out? Can the Model S interior can be compared to its taste? Even Mercedes, while traditionally a quality-leader, is not really a style leader: as seen in recent years, it is quite prone to the stylistic over-wroughtnesss currently in evidence in several of its models (including the E and CLS classes), which have negatively impacted its bottom line - and with good reason. TESLA, when it comes to interior design, please do get as far away from the kind of nouveau-riche geometric flashiness recently in evidence at competitors and return to timeless beauty as your guiding principle. For income-generating intercultural styling consultation - with a price tag - I can be contacted. Thank you for considering.
I am a little disconcerted about the option pricing as well. And would also like to see warranty and real world battery range.
I also have a question regarding the $7,500 tax credit. Does anyone know if there are income limits on being able to take the credit?
Hi Tesla Sales team,
I ordered a Tesla S looking for a luxury electric car, when I read through your pricing announcement I was surprised that you try to nickel and dime the buyers with an outrageous price for a navigation system. I understand that you model it after cars like the BMW 5xx but I expected better. This is one of the first connected cars with access to the internet and with cost of navigation way below your price tag. I was also really surprised that in a $60K-70K car (the "base" model-s) I still need to add $1500 for leather seats that is something you took beyond even BMW.
Very disappointing... I am willing to wait for the car but I expect Tesla to mature to a luxury car (sedan)company level and not use the technology early adopters to get a few more 1000s of dollars from us.
One more suggestion.
As we plan on buying the car...the biggest effort for the customer is putting the charger outlet in home..and finding the place in garage, where it looks good.
I think, Tesla should give a real life mock up of charger -probably made of thermocol or some other inexpensive stuff , so that we can take it and find the place of installing it in our garage.
Keep up the good work
I switched to a signature series (#365) less than a year ago. At that time I was told that the price of the car would be the same. The difference would be that the car would come loaded, with a signature series emblem and some additional choice of color/design for interior/exterior and early delivery (of course). In short the car would be special and no-one else would have one just like it. Other then the decal? (but this is not mentioned on the web site) I don’t see anything different. It appears the car will actually cost $5800.00 more (assuming metallic color, sports model) or $5050 more for White. $94,800.00 vs. $100,600.00 not including tax, tax credit, delivery etc.. You do have a choice of red, but this will be available to all in 2013 anyway. There does not appear to be any interior differences. The additional price assumes that you buy the non-signature version with the tech package, sound package, shelf and twin charger (I do not know what that is). The savings would be more if you did not want one of those. It would be hard to pay the extra $5050-$5800 or more, for the decal (?) and early delivery. Especially considering the higher risk that some glitches may not yet be worked out. I also agree with others that paying for the more expensive, low profile, tires even if you want the 19” tires seems frustrating.
If you choose the non-performance version the additional price for the signature is $4300 for any color. $86,300.00 vs $90,600.00 The saving would be greater if you choose regular tire ($3500 saving), no active suspension ($1500), Shelf ($250), twin charger ($1500), non -premium sound ($950).
Some questions I have. If I defer my signature series position do I go back further than I started in the queue before I upgraded to the signature? If I go back to the position I had before I upgraded, what is the estimated difference in time to delivery? Any news when the final car would be available to see/test. I’m not sure if the 21” tires, active suspension, premium sound, nappa leather interior, twin charger or even the performance version options are worth it for me. Look forward to updates on the car.
It is probably to late to make suggestions BUT the rear facing child seats need to have a video screen so the can watch videos and play games like all other video systems for children are set up.Also you need to have another get together at the plant so the customers that didn't get to see the car last time can see the cars and the options especially the colors ( cant tell what they will look like on computer screen.Yes cooled sets should be a standard feature in any $50,000 + car.All wheel drive would also be a good option on the s model. The signature series should have more options included as a thank you for all the $40,000 deposits. I would also like to open the Tesla dealership in Oklahoma City give me a call. Thanks now get car #655 built please.
Concerning the autonomy of the car, I would like to know if there have been tests made cq the geografic difference between the highways in America and as you will know in the meantime, the maintainous Switserland?
Can we talk abouth a reduced autonomy of 20%,30% or more?
To climb up in the mountains, you need more energy than
to drive the same distance on flat highway!!
Thank you forwarding for the information,
they need to incorporate the options into the online designer page they have still would like to see how the different options change the look such as the carbon fiber or banana tree bark look plus all the other stuff hope they update it soon been waiting for that since they first let the options be known
If I buy the Model S 40KWH model, can I later replace said battery (If I decide to) with the 60 or 85 KWH battery, i.e. would same physically fit? Thanks,
Trippenhammer: Yes, you can rip and replace the battery pack. Model S is designed to be modular