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I love the idea that they give choice that you can creep or have no forward movement. The one thing I wish they would add to the no-creep mode is what I my Lexus LS460 has which automatically engaged the brakes when you came to a complete stop. They called a hold button which you could had the choice to engage. When I first was shown this option when I bought the car I thought it was a joke, but as I started to use it, it became one of my favorite things about the car. Right now in the Tesla you roll on even a slight incline in when the creep mode is not engaged. It would make the no creep function so much better and appealingly.

What was totally great about the Lexus is that you simply had to hit the accelerator and the brake was disengage. Also when the brake was engaged the brake lights were on.

I would think that this is an easy software upgrade for the Tesla and it would add a great benefit at long stop lights to rest your foot. I know it sounds crazy but honestly you really miss it when you do not have it.

I personally prefer the option with the most direct control. Brake to brake. Accelerator to apply power. Do nothing and the car does nothing.

The creep is really just a hack to make the car operate like a legacy vehicle. But legacy vehicles don't creep because there is any value in doing so. They creep because the engine has to be running. So creeping is a silly artifact of an old drivetrain. It seems silly to me to replicate old functionality just because people got used to it.

The same goes for engine noise -- some folks argue that we should artificially make electric vehicles loud because we're used to it. I say nonsense.

Agreed, a hold option would be nice. But you quickly learn to lightly feather the throttle to hold yourself. I only use the brake maybe half the time or less.

Is there any truth to the rumor that creep mode consumes more battery? Does the motor continuously apply torque even if your foot is firmly on the brake? Or does it sense you let off the brake and then starts applying some rpm?

Creep comes from automatic transmissions' fluid clutch. Manuals dont creep. I dont like the creep mode.

You dont need hill hold in a model S. Its very hilly where I live... but hill hold is so the car doesnt start to roll back while the engine revs up. The torque is so quick in the Tesla that I dont find it a problem.

Will creep mode makes it easier to make a very small forward movement than hitting the accelerator, for example when you try to park in a tight place?

Creep is also nice to inch along in SoCal traffic jams.

My Prius seems to have a hold characteristic and I agree it is a good thing to have.

BobtheV

@carlk - yes to your question. I use creep and the only reason is when parking in my garage. Coming on off an incline and have only an inch or so on either side, so find that creep makes the entry a fair bit easier as I literally 'creep' in watching my two mirrors and then for for the two dogs who are likely flying in from the back yard :-)

Never use creep mode. Never miss it.

I don't use creep mode, but if they had a creep in reverse mode I might use that. I find when backing up that I like my foot over/on the brake to reduce the stop time. Since I back into my garage every day, and it has a slight incline, I miss the backward creeping.

I also think that hold would be a nice option.

Totally agree with ruckhazen, my wife's 2012 VW CC has a hold button. It sounds dumb until you get used to being at stoplight and just being able to hit the gas and go. It's awesome!! That would be a great feature for the Model S.

The diversity of preference shows that it's wise to make it configurable.

Personally, I have shut off creep and would love the hold feature.

Creep does not improve ability to do minute movements. I do <1 cm moves without creep no problem. I have not been on very steep slopes, but miss the hand break to do old-fashioned manual transmission hill starts. May be have to learn left foot breaking.

@carlk: Used creep for the first month or two while I got used to the accelerator. Now I prefer it off and I can control the car very easily while parking within inches of my garage wall.

I however do not use accelerator to "hold" the car on a hill, as that uses electricity (however minute) vs the brakes. No problems with rolling back too far before being able to switch, since there's no clutch action involved.

To each their own.

I found creep mode very useful, especially for parking in the garage, and have left it on all the time. However, The vehicle does not respond as I would expect in the specific case that I am stopped on a hill. In this case rather than rolling slowly forward (as I would like) the vehicle rolls backward when I take my foot off the brake. Then I resort to the classic method of using one foot on the brake and one on the gas and quickly swicthing between. I recommend finding a steep hill with no traffic around to experiment with this before you get stuck trying to pull onto a busy street with a car right behind you on a steep hill. This is definitely a place where a "hold" feature might come in handy. I would love to hear more about how the car responds under these conditions with creep mode versus without creep mode. Thanks

Creep will hill hold for mild inclines, but not Seattle hills.

I can't think of any valid reason why a car that is in "Drive" should ever, intentionally or not, roll backwards. I hope that, just like Tesla introduced the "creep" feature through a software update, they will also introduce a feature that will automatically "hold" when the car starts to roll in the opposite direction of the "gear" (D or R) that it's in.

+1 for what pebell said: it should never roll in the opposite direction of the gear selected. Hope this is added via software.

Creep on. I learned to drive on a manual and the first time I got to a stoplight on an incline in the S I was frantically looking (well, my left foot was frantically looking) for a clutch. The brake and accelerator combination worked fine, but, not the best for the car or the driver.

GRIN :)

I don't use creep, I learned on manual transmissions so I'm used to the feel of the car moving freely forward and backward without brake applied seems normal to me. My wife likes creep mode as she has always drive automatics and that is her comfort zone. I think the option is good. The auto brake on stop is an assist I don't want but can see the utility of offering it

I totally agree with a few of the concerns for a hold method. I live in the foothills of California and can tell you that the car does move rather quickly backwards. My wife and I both complain that the car moves backwards pretty fast with the 4600 pounds of weight. I have to routinely jump on the pedal to reduce the rollback, especially since people like to get up and personal way to often. I don't know what their problem is, but personal space around a car is just as important for safety on any incline. Tesla should either program a faster creep when the car is stopped and on an incline or use some other hold feature to avoid this rollback.

I grew up with a stick shift so I don't creep.

Keep creeps out of your car. They're slobs.

I started using creep. I guess it was what I grew up with. I have grown to love no creep.

I grew up with a stick. Every car had a handbrake too. A hill start is part of the driving test in the UK. The applicant must park on a hill and apply the handbrake or parking brake (never heard of the emergency brake until I came here) and put the car in neutral. From the parked position, first is selected and the clutch is gradually eased as the brake is released so the car gently pulls away. Move back at all or lurch forward and you fail.

I was lost yesterday in my test-drive. I had to leave park. Without creep there's was nothing to hold the car unless I either used both feet or tried to straddle brake and accelerator with one foot. Weird. I guess I'll use creep.

I don't use creep at all. But living in SF where inclines are everywhere, i would enjoy not having to press on the break all the time while waiting for the stoplight.

I had some rough times trying to get in or get out of tight parking in inclined parallel parking. One time i got too close to the car infront of me and the car after me just gave me about barely 5 inches of clearance. Had to get someone to spot me to get out. In this circumstance, i miss the hand break alot. Image getting out of an incline parallel parking with barely a feet of clearance total on both ends.

@LuvTesla.

I was rear-ended by a car that was rear-ended by another while waiting in line at a traffic light. The fellow that rear-ended me didn't have his foot on the brake while when he was rear-ended. That resulted in him hitting me.

He was in big trouble with his insurance company for admitting that he didn't have his foot on the brake. If he did have his foot on the brake I might not have been hit at all.

On steep hills I have one foot on the brake and the other covering the accelerator. It's works for me even though the car might beep at me for two pedal driving.

Hadn't thought about this for a long time. Many years ago, I used to be a member of an organization called the "Institute for Advanced Motorists". The entrance tests / requirements were very demanding, but once one became a member one enjoyed incredibly advantageous insurance rates. Anyway, one of their absolute requirements during one of the 2-hour entrance tests was that one apply the hand-brake at all red traffic lights in order to protect against being projected into cross-traffic by a rear-end accident while stationary. Their rationale was that simply sitting with one's foot on the brake is useless, since the moment one suffers a severe rear impact, one is likely to lose one's footing on the brake, thus providing no protection at all.

Now with the MS, it's no longer an option. And I have to admit, I got out of the habit of routinely applying the hand-brake at all red lights a long time ago!

@jjb. You can put your Tesla in park at each red light and achieve the same effect. ;)

@tkbsr - What difference would the weight make?


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