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Experience with Rear facing child seats

Hi Forum,

I was hoping to see if anyone has gotten these delivered/installed and what your experience has been? They told us it would be a few months before they were available in any mass quantity. Few basic questions:

1. Are they easily foldable (ie single person can do it without a lot of strength?)
2. Can they be permanently removed (ie once the kids are grown up)?
3. Do your kids actually like being back there?
4. Do kids complain at all about dizziness/nausea (ie moving forward but visually looking backwards can cause equilibrium issues and motion sickness for some people)?

Honestly, I think I only got them so I can say "I'm throwing the kids in the trunk" without child protective services coming after me. Unfortunately now threatening kids by saying we're going to throw you in the trunk if you don't quiet down really won't have the same effect ... oh well, will have to start threatening with the frunk. ;>)

appljd - I meant is there a way to put the well cover behind the kids seats (standing up between the rear seats and kids seats) so it is out of the way when the seats are in use, but still available in the car to cover the well if you need to fold up the seats for storage. Thanks.

Do they have to be installed or can you guy them later?

@markapeterman, no, there's really no place in the car to store the well cover when not in use that I can find. (My DS also said this.)

@culley, I'm 99% certain you can buy them later, though I don't see them currently listed under "Model S Accessories" in the Buy section of the website. You will have to take the car to a service center to have them put in or taken out, though.

Our jump-seats were installed this morning in S27. Our granddaughters love them. I only wish I could try them out. Not going to happen! 8-(

Kids seem to universally dig the jumpseats. Wonder if any have had a negative reaction?!?

Getting the jump seats installed on Friday (Yay!). Will let you all know how they perform. But sounds like from those of you that have them, they are universally loved by the little ones.

My kids only want to get picked up and dropped off at school in the "White" car... They are 4 years old... they just love those jump seats.

Looks like they have to be of some height to be able to see anything out the rear window? Is that right? If that is the case about what height? Was thinking if they can't see out they would be way too bored, but I suppose with two back there they will find something to keep them busy.

just got the seats installed. so far, they are an absolute hit. children want to sit in the jump seats only.

opening and closing the seats is a breeze. the kids do not seem to have any issues facing rear with car moving forward (no nausea or disequilibrium).

We just chuck them in the back, give 'em an ipad and we have quiet bliss. Child related noise and non-sense is less apparent with them back there.

Overall, feel like the seats keep the kids in better restraint than the car seats/boosters. Kids can see up/out of the rear mirror but not directly the car behind them (ours are relatively small kids). I think taller kids would be able to see out at cars behind easier.

@ culley@skulleyfx.com - you can get them installed later (many of us have had the car delivered without the seats and they are now installing them at service centers).

@ markapeterman - I can't seem to figure out a way to put the cover anywhere sensible in the car while the seats are being used. Just leaving it at home for now. would be nice if they came up with a more foldable cover perhaps?

@xradr : check out this post on TMC for how some have been able to fit the footwell cover behind the jump seats:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/6427-Rear-jump-seats?p=269...

So far, no reports of thumbs down from kids. A hit!

@rlpm. SWEET. Thanks so much. This is helpful. Will try this setup today!

I never ordered the rear seats, mainly because my kids were too small and I was told I could add them later when they are bigger, they had initially said it was for kids 6 and older. I got my final MVPA last week and was reading the requirements for the rear seats and came to find my 4 year old can already sit back there and my 3 year old is almost big enough. Called tesla about adding them after I get the car and they said it can be done at the service center ( car is already shipped) but when I talked to my delivery specialist, he said it was difficult to add after the car has been built because it requires a latch system that is installed when the car is being built. So does anyone know anything else, getting conflicting info from Tesla?

@xradr : You're welcome!

And thanks to everyone posting information. I've learned a huge amount about this car, even though I don't expect to take delivery for several weeks.

@spraisoody : I'm in a similar situation. I didn't add the seats when I finalized. I might want to add them later. An email from ownership said that they could be installed post-production, but would incur additional labor charge.

From what I've read, the latches are in all back center seats, on the side facing the trunk area, just belowmthe headrest, hidden under upholstery. To install, they cut out the upholstery, then add plastic pieces to make it pretty. See here: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/12577-Delivery-Installatio...

Once they get all the seats installed for those with them on thier punch lists, perhaps TM will add them to the store site, as they did the second charger.

I took delivery 1 wk ago, vin #49xx S60 kwh, came with the rear facing seats already installed, which was a surprise.

The seat is very well designed, very easy to fold (4 steps) and store perfectly in the foot well in the trunk. You can still put the foot well cover over it once the seat is folded.

I heard the seats can be removed, but I was too excited when I picked up the car and forgot to ask the DS how it can be done.

My 5 yr old says the seats are very comfortable, and he loves seating in the back. Initially he did complain of some dizziness, but it was because of the pressure buffetting issue with the trunk lid not being tight. After I adjusted the rubber dempeners, buffetting is gone, and he hasn't complain of dizziness, only complained that "Daddy, you are going too fast!!!" :)

My 2 yr old kept asking to sit in the back too, but he is too young :) However, he loves playing back there while the car is in the garage !

CC

I picked up my car yesterday. My 2 kids LOVE the rear jump seats but can any of you owners out there that have had them for a while tell me if there is a way you can safety childproof the lock from opening?

I was reversing out of my driveway yesterday when I saw my kids fall forward. Apparently my younger son accidentally hit the lever to release it so it folded. That seems dangerous.

Is there way to lock it so they can't open it while the car is in motion (in Drive or Reverse)?

Someone mentioned on another thread there was a way to child proof them from opening it but didn't explain it. I'd greatly appreciate an explanation. Thanks.

My daughter gets car sick in every vehicle we have owned (including our minivan). We just got our MS yesterday and she LOVES the seat. It is a big hit with all her friends as well. Even with dad "testing" the acceleration many times, she did not seem to get the least bit car sick which my wife and I cannnot believe. (Verdict still out on trips longer than30 mins.).

These seats convert open/closed in 15 seconds! They are also permenantly removable when the kids outgrow them and take less than an hour to remove. Per the San Diego Sales Manager- removed seats are as if they have never been there. For those contemplating purchasing the seats, make sure you read Tesla's safety rating press release very closely. For all cars ordered with these seats, Tesla adds a second rear bumper for added protection. So even if your kids outgrow the seats & you remove them, you essentially paid $2500 for added rear accident protection. Pretty cool!

We have 5 year old twins that love the seats. It was a little hot initially, but after crystalline tint - they have no complaints!

"For all cars ordered with these seats, Tesla adds a second rear bumper for added protection. So even if your kids outgrow the seats & you remove them, you essentially paid $2500 for added rear accident protection. Pretty cool!"

I don't think it's clear that the extra bumper adds safety for the two front rows, just that it makes the jump seats safer.

Presumably a bumper in that region is going to be more rigid and therefore lead to a harder crash experience for the occupants than had there been a crumple zone in its place. It will protect you from the impactor actually penetrating all the way to the occupants but that distance is so great this is unlikely to be the main threat in an accident (once the jump seats are removed): the main threat is the sudden acceleration which I would think is better mitigated by crumple zones.

But all this is armchair speculation, has Tesla said anything specific about the safety effect of the extra bumper on the two front rows?

Pictures, everyone!

Thanks for the thread bump Brian H. It reminded me to give a 6 month update.

The kids still love/prefer the jump seats. One thing I would highly recommend is a heavy rear tint (15% or equivalent worked for us). Sun/heat really builds up back there, despite AC, etc can get quite hot in the summer. Cheers all and happy driving!!!!

GO TESLA!

@earlyretirement

You're probably going to have to start a thread for your answer.

@jtodtman - I got my answer from Tesla. My DS confirmed that there is NO safety latch for this back seat, which is surprising to me. I'll try to make a YouTube video this weekend to highlight the problem.

But my Delivery Specialist's answer was "tell your kids not to touch the button in the middle while the car is moving".

Those of you that have young kids know that when kids aren't paying attention or in the event of an accident where the car gets hit or something and the kids get frazzled, they might accidentally hit the button that folds the seat down.

Initially I was worried about the safety of the back seat from an impact. Then with all the talk from Elon about how safe it was and how the car is reinforced, I wasn't worried. I never imagined I'd be worried from the standpoint that these seats can easily come down if your kid accidentally hits the button.

I do think in future models they will really need to add some safety feature to address this problem. I can't imagine I'm the only one that had this happen. And keep in mind it happened to me on the first day picking up the car. In real life driving around with kids, I could see it happening to others.

I'm not complaining as I LOVE the car. I just don't want to see Tesla suffer in the event of a serious accident and a potential lawsuit as I think it could have been designed better with a safety latch so it can't move while the car is in motion.

About the IR block; I believe TM now adds it to the rear window. The newer cars should have less need for aftermarket tint.

@earlyretirement- can't you just change the control setting for "child locks" to ON? ...or is this only for the two back doors?

@bent- I just assumed that a reinforced feature (second bumper) to protect the occupants of the jump seats from a rear end collision would have some "residual" safety value in protecting others in the car (outgrown kids now sitting in the second row) from a potentially serious rear end collision. Do you see it differently?

201w77: a completely rigid car (built like a tank with inch-thick steel) would transfer all of the forces of a crash to the occupants and generally break every bone in their bodies in any serious accident. To prevent this from happening, instead of being completely rigid cars are built with crumple zones that absorb the impact at the cost of destroying the car. A "reinforced bumper" is presumably quite rigid and so in general would tend to increase g forces on the occupants as compared to having a normal crumple zone in its place. The only reason it would make sense to have the extra bumper is that it prevents the chassis from crushing the third row occupants as it crumples, but then possibly at some cost to the first and second seat occupants.

Normally you would want to have a crumple zone along the whole baggage area of the car, sacrificing everything in your cargo space as the rear of the car gets squished in order to protect first and second rows. But with a third row you no longer wish to sacrifice your third row kids as a crumple zone and so you put in the rigid bumper to stop the crumpling just short of squishing them. As the impact reaches the bumper and stops crumpling there will be a sudden jolt to everyone in the car, possibly causing injury. But this is still preferable to crumpling your kids.

Again, this is armchair speculation and I have no idea what the engineering actually looks like in this case.

My jump seat came with the car, but there was an issue with the seat back engaging - after several attempts at fixing the problem Tesla decided to replace the jump seat assembly and sent a ranger to do so -it took about 30 minutes - I watched so that I would know how to take them out - two bolts hold the seats flip-up hinges in place - snap off the cover and remove the bolts, take out the seat - I don't know if the snap covers would reinstall without the seat in place, but if not maybe Tesla will come up with a snap cover that will fit -
remember to put the bolts back in - they hold the engine in place - just kidding, thought a little humor might help the digestion -

201w77 - In reading some info on the third row seat protection, it said that the third row seats require a second bumper and further that this makes that seating the safest in the car - I didn't know this when I bought the jump seats, but knowing it now makes me glad I did -

earlyretirement-
How is this different from them just unbuckling their seatbelt?
My kids have never done this in 8 months, but I explained what it was and how dangerous it could be, just like unbuckling. I agree that they could make it harder to unlatch, but I like how simple they are to fold up also.

201w77 - The control to the back hatch is disabled when the car is in gear.


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