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Finally meet Model S

I finally saw the Model S last week(that was 3 weeks ago; I had problem posting). The door handles were disable. When I pushed on the handles, they felt flimsy. I was not too thrill about the popout handles(I rather like the handles rotate into the doors; body color instead of chrome). The interior of car does not feel as luxurious as cars in this price range; it is more like cars in the $35000 range. As for the flashy now high tech 17" screen, most people will miss the dials & buttons(I am a technut, but I still prefer the dials & buttons which I can control without taking my eyes off the road). Unless it has voice control otherwise people will have tough time adjusting AC heating or maybe radio. The brochure I picked up was either not informative or outdated. It does not have complete details and features.

A while ago, there was a very interesting (lengthy, but worthwhile) discussion about touch screen vs. physical knobs and dials:

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I personally am more than happy to have touch screen technology for every aspect of accessory and vehicle control. I guess it might be like the Cadillac sales person said when we purchased our CTS-V; "I have a lot of older customers who just want a radio and power windows without all the extra stuff..." We are buying technology and want the highly effective human interface that touch screen provides.

Charlene and I are more than happy to have an interior with only two physical knobs or buttons. The touch screen interface is intuitive and offers the ability to customize the control settings. We are buying technology and expect that the most current human interface will be a part of that package. Tesla rocks!

My thought has always been that I'll just get used to the new scheme. Each of my cars has had a different scheme with different button/knobs/sliders/etc and I've gotten used to them. I don't see why a touchscreen is any different.

Regarding the outdated stuff... yup. You are looking at a new car from a new car company, so their stuff isn't as complete as a Lexus or Nissan.

The next 6 months will be very interesting. Lots of folks new to electric cars specifically and luxury cars in general, including me, will be getting these cars and discovering our likes and dislikes. If all goes well you've got plenty of time to consider if you want to take the risk and sign up. There will be plenty of folks out there with cars.

Yes, the feedback and PR and etc. from new S-drivers to pending owners and the public and reviewers is going to be very interesting! And crucial. Elon seems to be hyper-sensitive to that, and doesn't want to hear (justified) complaints coming back.

The interior of car does not feel as luxurious as cars in this price range; it is more like cars in the $35000 range. Kingkong

I have noticed other comments like this in other posts. I think that this can be a show stopper for me. We can discuss for ages about how the interior should look like in color or form. But if the quality of the interrior is that of an average priced car, I might be in two minds.

Creating expectations is one thing, buying is another ...

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Comments like these (about the interior finish) have given me pause. For that reason, I have changed my course from taking a "leap of faith," ordering from what I've seen online, to requiring a test drive before finalizing my purchase.

I wonder if Elon's engineer's preference for minimalism is coming back to bite him. He's not a good sample of the buying public's tastes!

Until we see real production cars, rather than alphas or betas, I don't believe that comments about the quality of the interior are more than speculation.

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The interior of car does not feel as luxurious as cars in this price range; it is more like cars in the $35000 range. Kingkong

You ARE getting a $35,000 car. Plus $22,000 battery for the 40kWh Model S.

I totally agree that at this time, it's only speculating. Untill we have seen the car in person, there are no possible arguments that hold.
I only hope that the perfect Tesla marketing will not turn against them when the created expectations are not met. Again, this is a personal feeling that everyone has to decide for themself. I wish Tesla all the best and hope the interior will be comparable with the cars mentioned before.

We will see, but untill then, we can only be influenced by these forums :-)

My estimation for 40kWh battery pack is $16,000, so 41,000 for a car itself & whatever difference is between ICE engine, transmission and related gizmos - heavy duty wires and electric engine.

Actually, looking at the BMW 5-series prices, I suspect that the battery+PEM is pretty much in the same ballpark as the BMW engine+transmission, with the higher capacity batteries comparing to the larger engines. There may still be a difference in the cost of the car without engine/transmission/battery/PEM, but I like to think that the remaining difference is close to negligible.

TM claims to have considerable cost benefits resulting from not having to tow a long chain of suppliers and contractors for components it makes in-house -- which is as many as possible. Whether that additional slack shows up entirely in (the needed) gross profit margin, or permits upgrading of interior elements, I have no idea.

Sorry Everyone. Sorry Tesla. This post is my first impression of the car. It was not meant to discourage anyone. As other posts mentioned the betas might differ from actual production. The battery and R&D account for most of the price tag. All being said if I have the money I would still buy this over the ICE

Don't forget to take into account the savings in gas over the life of the car and what you save in maintenance as they all reflect on TCO when you factor in ROI. Makes the Model S look much better IMHO and that's no TMI!

Right now I am still in the "buy" category, but I strongly believe that anyone who expects major changes in quality or design of the interior on the production models is setting themselves up for disappointment.

Below is a description of the Model S I saw in Toronto. This is I believe the top of the line. I doubt there will be dramatical quality improvement in the production car.

La versione Beta è un prototipo simile al 90% alla versione di Model S in produzione. I partecipanti potranno sedere all'interno della vettura durante una breve dimostrazione del touchscreen da 17".

Specifiche della Model S in esposizione

Model S Signature Series
Signature Red Paint Color
Black Signature Nappa Leather Interior
Lacewood Decor

I also finally had a hands on for the first time. Unfortunately I gotta agree. It feels cheap and thrown together. Particularly the finish and seating areas. Really the whole interior ... minus the touch screen ... feels like a 20-30K car. The wood paneling looked really awful.

For me - I can't pull the trigger on my signature - b/c of that.

@kperl1, you have to respect all opinions and I thank you for yours. Not everyone is going to be head over heals for the car. Today's test drive for me will help me decide a bunch of things as well.

Aside from the interior, how did you feel about the drive?

Thanks again kperl1!

You all have to remember that you were looking at Beta prototypes ...

The later Beta here locally actually had black duct tape around the flooring area ... I am sure we ALL know that is due to prototype status right?

Even the cars being test-driven are not production cars. I asked George B that exact question, and he said they were the cars made just before the cars delivered on 22-June. They are 99%, but not total production versions.

@kperl1, Wait? Are you talking about the event in Fremont, CA this weekend or seeing the cars elsewhere?

@Slindell, good to know as I went in assuming what I will drive today will be what we get exactly in a few months. I know the feel for the drive will be the same and all that, I will assume most of the interior as well, 99% is pretty darn tootin' close. :)

@everyone b/t my post and this one :).

I did not drive it (as I couldn't). I currently have my agreement and live in Atlanta. I was in south florida so I went to Tesla @Dania beach. I sat in the car, while on and played around with it. I sat in all the seats etc. I currently have a lexus ls and certainly would not expect the Model S to be that comfortable - but I do think it is fair to compare to Jag or Panamera - which are similar price.

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