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Tesla model line-up

To anyone listening, this is how I envision a possible line-up of new cars and designs.

-model S
-model X
-Tesla super pick-up truck to demonstrate incredible power and torque, broaden Tesla's brand and reputation, and perhaps develop and test a lot of useful EV technology and have the buyers of these premium trucks pay for it.
-Bluestar/Gen3 car of the people which will hopefully make more sense than an ICE EVEN for people who's income is not so high.
-Completely redefine sports car performance with new Roadster on Bluestar platform.
-Very affordable and ultra efficient velomobile geared towards youth and also fit people because it would be a human powered-electric hybrid. The first model would be for no passenger, but maybe a longer or tandem model could later be designed for up to 3 or 4 passengers behind the driver (such as for a couple or small family). Velomobiles have a lot of potential in my opinion, but currently they mostly can't shake off the home-made look (which most people will never go for), so Tesla could really revolutionize the sector like it did with EVs, re-invent it, and make it a very appealing mainstream option that could sell like hotcakes, even to people who already own a regular car but want to keep fit on the go while saving money when it is convenient. One improvement over current designs would be a windshield similar to a jet fighter plane rather than a tiny little window or only a hole on top of the fairing. The interesting thing is that Tesla currently has all the technology needed to make this happen and a relatively small battery would suffice since it would need much less power than a full-size car. Here are a couple links:
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/09/the-velomobile-high-tech-bike-or-...
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2012-10-25/electric-velomobiles-as-fas...
-Although much more technologically and financially demanding, the next design after the mass market velomobile could be to allow the model S and roadster to be levitation-ready. Much testing will need to be done, of course, but especially it seems inevitable that a special highway would need to be built, either by Tesla for Tesla cars only or by some government. We can expect the price tag to be astronomical, but maybe in the long run it would not be significantly more expensive than a conventional paved road if the lack of wear and friction means that it will last much longer without needing to be redone. Clearly, this levitation highway would be for highly traveled, long distance corridors, and it perhaps should be apart from normal roads and contra flow for safety. Because friction would be so small (only air resistance) and because regular roads would still exist, it would perhaps make more sense at first to build large loops instead of a two-way highway. There could be a big loop extending all around the USA. What I have in mind is that your model s or roadster of the future could go on an access ramp, stop, shift from Drive to Hyperdrive (or something) to activate the levitation mode instead of the motor to the wheels, and there you go, supported by a superconductors that is cooled by liquid nitrogen. Alternatively, I'm not sure if it can be done (or if it would be 100% safe), but what might make more sense is if the track is the superconductor, insulated and cooled by a pipeline of liquid nitrogen around it, and this track would double as a zero-resistance superconductor power line to distribute electricity around the country or maybe even store some. Not sure if the magnetic fields from the current would make driving impossible if it interferes with either levitation or acceleration. I said a lot of testing would be needed. Anyways, it would allow you to cross the country on very little energy, possibly at high speed. Is that the hyperloop?--except Elon said there is no rail and no vacuum tunnel.
http://www.ted.com/talks/boaz_almog_levitates_a_superconductor.html

tl;dr :(

It sucks that you cannot edit posts here. In the future though, could you maybe break up your post into paragraphs, with spacing.

Totally disregard if the website formatting disallows spacing.

I take that back. I did read it :)

@cloroxbb | APRIL 30, 2013: It sucks that you cannot edit posts here.

The creator of a thread can edit their post.

I would suggest that @TeslaRocks update their post and put some paragraph breaks in there. I lost my way several times trying to read the post and finally gave up - sorry.

Amazing! It seems we are finally getting real progress in transportation.

@alex
Good to know. Thanks

chlorox;
The trick is to hover over the logo. An OP can be deleted, too, by moving to "None selected".

Cool

I tried editing the original post yesterday but the spam filter denied me. It even denied me posting a new message in this thread.

I will try posting it again with the edits. If this is the last post from me, it means I got denied again.

To anyone listening, this is how I envision a possible line-up of new cars and designs.

-model S

-model X

-Tesla super pick-up truck to demonstrate incredible power and torque, broaden Tesla's brand and reputation, and perhaps develop and test a lot of useful EV technology and have the buyers of these premium trucks pay for it.

-Bluestar/Gen3 car of the people which will hopefully make more sense than an ICE EVEN for people who's income is not so high.

-Completely redefine sports car performance with new Roadster on Bluestar platform.

-Very affordable and ultra efficient velomobile geared towards youth and also fit people because it would be a human powered-electric hybrid. The first model would be for no passenger, but maybe a longer or tandem model could later be designed for up to 3 or 4 passengers behind the driver (such as for a couple or small family). Velomobiles have a lot of potential in my opinion, but currently they mostly can't shake off the home-made look (which most people will never go for), so Tesla could really revolutionize the sector like it did with EVs, re-invent it, and make it a very appealing mainstream option that could sell like hotcakes, even to people who already own a regular car but want to keep fit on the go while saving money when it is convenient.

One improvement over current designs would be a windshield similar to a jet fighter plane rather than a tiny little window or only a hole on top of the fairing. The interesting thing is that Tesla currently has all the technology needed to make this happen and a relatively small battery would suffice since it would need much less power than a full-size car.

Here are a couple links:

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/09/the-velomobile-high-tech-bike-or-...

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2012-10-25/electric-velomobiles-as-fas...

-Although much more technologically and financially demanding, the next design after the mass market velomobile could be to allow the model S and roadster to be levitation-ready. Much testing will need to be done, of course, but especially it seems inevitable that a special highway would need to be built, either by Tesla for Tesla cars only or by some government. We can expect the price tag to be astronomical, but maybe in the long run it would not be significantly more expensive than a conventional paved road if the lack of wear and friction means that it will last much longer without needing to be redone. Clearly, this levitation highway would be for highly traveled, long distance corridors, and it perhaps should be apart from normal roads and contra flow for safety.

Because friction would be so small (only air resistance) and because regular roads would still exist, it would perhaps make more sense at first to build large loops instead of a two-way highway. There could be a big loop extending all around the USA. What I have in mind is that your model s or roadster of the future could go on an access ramp, stop, shift from Drive to Hyperdrive (or something) to activate the levitation mode instead of the motor to the wheels, and there you go, supported by a superconductors that is cooled by liquid nitrogen.

Alternatively, I'm not sure if it can be done (or if it would be 100% safe), but what might make more sense is if the track is the superconductor, insulated and cooled by a pipeline of liquid nitrogen around it, and this track would double as a zero-resistance superconductor power line to distribute electricity around the country or maybe even store some. Not sure if this super transmission line would create a magnetic field that would make driving impossible if it interferes with either levitation or acceleration. I said a lot of testing would be needed.

Anyways, it would allow you to cross the country on very little energy, possibly at high speed. Is that the hyperloop?--except Elon said there is no rail and no vacuum tunnel. I guess he didn't say no track.

http://www.ted.com/talks/boaz_almog_levitates_a_superconductor.html

TeslaRocks,

I also have trouble with the spam filter, usually when I try to post the same link a second time, even if they are in two different comments in the same thread. So I simply post a different link, one not previously used. Hope that helps.

I think the plan should be:
- Model S (check)
- Model X (starting rollout at end of 2014)
- Bluestar/GenIII (starting rollout in 2016/2017)

(now gets outside of the typical plan)
- Powertrain for large trucks: to show the application for high torque needs, not just smaller passenger vehicles; look for others to built the vehicle, with Tesla batteries/motors; trucking, bussing, power equipment industry as prime customers

- Improvements on "driveability", not new vehile lines: things like "auto-pilot" discussion that Musk is starting right now. Don't just focus on the models, but look into how to change the driving experience all together!

That is what's needed for Tesla as a company to completely go past all over auto companies!

You bring some good points, HiteshBhatt. I don't see any advantage in Tesla supplying only the powertrain rather than a complete truck, especially as Tesla is becoming profitable and it's stock is not cheap so they should be able to afford the capital requirement needed to offer a complete product. I did forget, and you are right, that Tesla technology should be put into a wider range of applications at that time. Perhaps the most appealing is as an alternative to gas generators, although Solarcity seems to have that covered and I think the Tesla truck should have a couple electrical outlets to power equipment or for back-up when the vehicle is parked. If or when large numbers of batteries get replaced from Tesla cars because they are not quite good enough, maybe Tesla could have a robot test each cell and re-use them in a battery pack for stationary applications. Buses, locomotives, freight trucks, boats and so on all seem like good applications of Tesla application, and I agree that for those Tesla could consider supplying only the powertrain to established manufacturers.

I think auto-pilot is a fun gadget to take baby steps towards, but I don't see how it could live to all the hype, especially considering all the risks and costs versus questionable costumer demand for the feature (in my view at least). It should start as an expensive option in premium vehicles, for the few who really value it. I doubt the average driver would want to pay for that, whether as an option or as part of the base price. After all, if you want to go without having to drive, for example to read, there's the bus for that. Most people who buy a Tesla are car enthusiasts, I imagine, and therefore like to drive. Of course Tesla should not ignore autopilot and should keep somewhat ahead of the technology, so to not be left out when it will be ready for the mass market where real demand could be found among the elderly, those unable to drive because of handicaps, those who just hate driving or never bothered to get their license (although this crowd usually can't afford much), and even taxi companies who wish to skip on exploiting immigrants to drive cabs.

But I agree that industrial equipment is probably before a better use of Tesla technology before velomobiles and superconductor highways. Satisfy existing markets before creating new ones.

While staying up longer than I probably should have, I found this video of the Aptera Electric Car, as featured on Jay Leno's Garage. Although clearly not as technologically advanced as the Model S, I think this shape and concept offers potential. Perhaps the concept would be better with the passenger behind the driver to favour performance, even more visibility, and a jet or spaceship feeling. That passenger-in-the-back variant could be tried even though ultimately the market will decide. This is very futuristic, but I think that Tesla should eventually explore the idea for a future model, perhaps generation 5 or 6, probably geared towards younger drivers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQqCLRXl2w

Thoughts?

@TeslaRocks

Please...it is a recumbent bicycle, NOT an automobile of some sort, just a bicycle. If you start calling it anything else we'll have to have the damn thing licensed and insured just to ride it out of the driveway.

And I believe that that was one of the guiding principles behind the design of the Tesla Model S...to produce an aesthetically appealing body style that fits within the parameters of conventional ICE body styling to present the ICE-to-EV conversion as an integral part/logical step of/in the evolution of automotive technology as opposed to the hyper futuristic styling cues employed by a number of forward thinking designers who've, apparently, overlooked the necessity for gradual integration to ward off the occurrence of future shock wherein a product is presented in a format far too extremist to be perceived as realistic, and so, viable to the average/typical mindset.

@TeslaRocks

As for the Aptera, like I alluded above, a bit to extremist to be viewed as a vehicle readily integrated into the average commuters daily routine given the amount of ergonomic adjustment that would be required to comfortably utilize the vehicle for the average driver.

Aptera is two-seater size of Hummer. As such it was doomed to be big failure.

Lit Motors C1 is much better: http://litmotors.com/c1/

That too is two-seater with teeny weeny fraction of Aptera air resistance. If you want to go for efficiency go for tandem, not side-by-side configuration.

"The C-1 is 100% electric, using a small 10 kWh battery pack to travel up to 200 miles per charge. And the C-1 is freeway-ready, with a top speed of 100+ mph and acceleration of 0-60 in six seconds."

10kWh for 200 miles. That's impressive 674 mpge. More than twice that of Aptera.

allusion;
+1, even tho it was one long breathless sentence! Bet you can't read it aloud without a gasp. ;)

I remember checking out the Lit Motors C-1 maybe a year ago. It's pretty amazing... crazy that it doesn't fall, I'll believe it when I see it in person. Also reminds me a bit of the Skeeter EV, a bike that I saw online about 15 years ago, but without the gyros. Basically, electric vehicles allow futuristic models of different shapes and sizes, with virtually no environmental impact, and potentially at a fraction of the cost compared to dinosaur technology. It all makes the future sound appealing and exciting. I also look forward to seeing how far Tesla will go down that road, knowing that they can really create a quality product. I want Tesla to create the future, not some cheap sweat shop run by the mob, somewhere.


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