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Where would you like to see Tesla set up Super Chargers?

I have a couple long drives I undertake and came up with a list that would be convenient for me. Somehow I think Tesla will take a wider array of people into account :)

Here is where I would like to see them (for my personal convenience of course :) )
North Bay, ON
Barrie, ON
Stratford, ON
Niagara, Falls, ON
Erie, PA
Morgantown, WV
Beckley, WV
Charlotte or Statesville, NC

I actually anticipate Tesla will concentrate their super chargers in/near their hottest U.S. markets (at least initially), but I can dream about them being in more out of the way places.

Where would they suit you best?

@mvbf: thanks for resurrecting that old post of mine!

@Vawlkus: As batteries become less expensive, you can put more kWh into a car at the same price point, or lower prices and keep the kWh (or some mix of lower prices and greater range). To expand the market for EVs, their price has to drop. So, I expect that a robust charging network spaced ~150 miles apart will continue to be valuable for decades -- if for no other reason to provide EV drivers peace of mind.

Vawlkus, I agree with Robert.Boston. In addition, less use due to longer-range batteries will probably be more than offset by many more EVs on the road! Think of how many gas stations there are, despite the fact that many gassers have ranges of more than 300 miles. More charging stations will simply allow for more flexible route planning, very welcome.

@Sudre: I think most of us agree that the 160 miles battery is more of an around town car.

I don't know about the majority but I certainly don't agree. Put the chargers 90-100 miles apart and let the 40Kwh battery be charged by them too.

This would also improve the availability of the chargers as more Tesla make it on the road.

It would be so nice if the quote tags would actually work...

Definitely Barstow CA

@gjunky - "Put the chargers 90-100 miles apart and let the 40Kwh battery be charged by them too."

So you're saying they should place batteries so that the distance is 40kWh-friendly even though no 40kWh Model S can use them? Odd.

Correction: superchargers, not batteries

I was asking to have them put the chargers in a 40Kwh range AND allow for supercharging (perhaps at a lower rate to save the battery)

Routes that take me from the bay area to Vegas, Tahoe, LA, San Diego, and Yosemite. Also a few stops along Highway 1.

Half way between LA and Phoenix

Someone needs to do a tally like MichiganModelS, but in a separate shorter thread.

100 mile separation is a bit close for the first phase of a rollout. With the Roadster, I prefer charging sites about every 130 - 160 miles. For the Model S, I think I would extend this slightly to maybe 150 - 180 miles.
This could be done with the 230 mile (60 kW) vehicles driving economically. Since I'm assuming those who really expect to be doing road trips will opt for the 300 mile (85 kW) version, they won't have to stop unreasonably often.
The second phase of rollout would undoubtedly split the gaps to allow 75 to 90 miles between stops, enabling a lot more flexibility as well as enabling shorter range EVs such as the Leaf.

I think it's wrong to assume that the stations should be spaced something like 2/3 to 9/10 of the range of the expected vechicles. It has to be more often than that.

The equivalent would be if gas stations were spaced out every 250 miles on interstates. People don't only travel in straight lines, and they don't start with the same amount of charge or from the same place.

If you want to assume cars have at least 150 miles of range, then 50-125 miles apart would not be bad spacing. If I'm driving with less charge than can make it to the second charger, I have to stop. If I've plenty to make it, I don't. Why would some of us want to stop after 60 miles just to synchronize with the charging network spacing?

Actually, with Tesla pointing out 150 miles (on 85kWh pack) in 30 minutes, I suspect that's what they'll be aiming at. I wish they could at least get the I-5 route finished by the end of 2012. That's a total of 9 superchargers counting the end points. The question is then "Can they be located near restaurants and other desirable businesses at those distances?" Of course, I want one at Barstow as well.

Starbucks - everywhere

you know - $5.00 for a coffee, $5.00 for a charge - no congestion - Starbucks might even pay to have the chargers installed - any Starbuckers out there?

With the Roadster, I prefer charging sites about every 130 - 160 miles. For the Model S, I think I would extend this slightly to maybe 150 - 180 miles. -Earl and Nagin

Roadster range considerations are not really relevant to this discussion regarding SuperChargers placement because the Roadster's charging ports are not compatible with the SuperChargers.


After going to the Santana Row event and playing with their mileage software I realized that with my driving habits on the freeway (closer to 75 than 55), I would probably only get about 245 miles of range with my 300 mile battery pack, which has changed my thinking about where I would like to see chargers.

I live in Berkeley, and regularly visit relatives in Sacramento and Monterrey. Since each of those locations are about 110 miles away I would only safely be able to go there and back on one charge without touring around while I was there, so I really need chargers in those locations to top off the tank, so to speak. So since there seems to be virtually a complete lack of chargers on the Monterrey Penninsula, I would like to see a charger there. And also one in Sacramento and one in Tahoe.

But maybe you guys can help me understand something else. Walgreens has been putting in chargers all over the country, but I can't find out anything about how to access them and how much they cost. Also, does anyone know how many miles I would get in an hour with those chargers (with the 85kwh battery)?

Also, there is a Tesla charger listed in Salinas. What kind of a charger would that be and what would it mean with regards to charging the Model S?

I would like to see the stations positioned appropriately between Toronto and Florida on the interstates so I can get to?from Florida with stops about ever three or four hours for lunch or over night. Plannong on an 85Kwh battery.

Texas!! It'd be awesome to see them from North Texas (Denton, DFW) all the way down to Houston. The EVs are piling up here way more quickly than I expected! A few 3rd party chargers are popping up here and there, but some Tesla superchargers would be smashing!!

Plus, knowing that you can easily drive from one end of Texas to the other makes a huge difference for Texans on the fence about EVs. :)

The Walgreen's charger are J-1772 and the chargers are ChargePoint. You can go to ChargePoints web site and get a pass to use them. Many ChargePoint locations in general are free since the establishments are trying to encourage EV customers to stop by. A few I have seen (not at Walgreens) say to just come in and ask for a card to charge for free. There is also a phone number on the charger to call and they will turn it on for you.

There is a thread in the General forum.

I agree with DavidM who suggested placement every 150 miles to allow the 230 packs to participate with margin. I don't want to go 55 mph on 70 mph roads; I don't want to arrive on empty; and I want to use the A/C, radio and lights; and I want to do it at end of pack life (good design). Pack life is 10% lost range, 65 mph appears to be a 10% cost, so that leaves a 230 pack with 15% margin for hills.

Tesla SM to Barstow, CA is 130 mi (I-15 & I-40); on to Las Vegas is 150 mi with mountains.

Tesla SM to Lost Hills, CA via I-15 is 140 mi; on to Patterson is 160 mi, with TM next door.

Tesla SM to Indio, CA is 140 mi with one windy hill; on to Buckeye is 210 mi; and Tucson is +154 mi.

Those with the 300 mi pack have 50 miles of flexibility on both ends. Most Angelinos will make Las Vegas with a single stop in Barstow. A Sig 300 in San Jose could blow off Patterson and go straight to Lost Hills, and then blow off Santa Monica and go on to Laguna Niguel. Flexible on both ends. :)

I'd like to see Hwy 99 in CA get one or two, and maybe somewhere between Bakersfield and Barstow? I like to take the high desert on the drive to Vegas!

Almost forgot. I want superchargers to be multi headed. I want to see convoys of Teslas making these trips, not just one car per time slot. But of course, any charger is better than none.

@David den Boer: Bakersfield to Barstow is 130 mi; and Fresno to Lost Hills is only 90 mi.

Lost Hills to Barstow is an iffy 176 mi for the 230 pack but fine for 300 packs. If in doubt, 230 pack should go via Santa Monica. 230 pack enabled doesn't mean totally friendly routing, at first anyway.

But you are correct that the state capitol of Fresno should be a hub. Are you a state politician? :)

By bad, the capitol of CA is Sacramento.

Actually, I live and work in the Bay Area, so the drive through the high desert to LV is my favorite.

Bay Area guy here as well, sounds like you all have it covered! ;)


Thanks for answering my question about Walgreen's charging stations. Now that time is close for actually getting my car (I am S#566), the practical consideration of where to charge the car on trips, before Tesla has time to install a lot of fast chargers, becomes real. Also, based on the link below it looks like the NRG settlement with the State of California may bring a lot more charging stations, but potentially incompatible with the Model S.

I guess it may be better to move that discussion to the other thread that you referenced.

I am so excited about getting my Model S that I can barely stand it!

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