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Does it make you laugh that the CaddilacELR EV is setting its price same as MS?

Saw the article announcing the pending arrival of chevy/caddillac luxury entry into the EV market.

Essentially, its a chevy volt, with a couple more interior luxury appointments.

However, it will be priced very close to the same as base MS.

It doesnt have the storage capacity or the roomy space of the MS.

It doesnt have the power of the MS or speed or handling performance.

It doesnt have the display monitor or self improving software.

Its battery doesnt have the range of the MS, in fact the range is something under 60 miles i believe.

It is still a hybrid, so technically it still needs gas. But it will also hence need oil changes, more repairs, with more moving parts, drivetrains, transmission, carbeurators etc.

Its only real advantage to the MS it points to is that it has overall more range than the MS since it can run on gas after the battery is empty.

Does this equate to charging equal price to the MS?

I must be missing something, surely those bright minds at GM management ranks are smarter than me, but i cant figure it out....

it isnt going to sell... not until they stop dicking around and make a compelling all electric... but then there is the dilemma of those dealers... if they make an all electric, how would the dealers make money if the car would to last maintenance free. until the figure this piece out the dealers will steer their customers away. plus there isnt anything similar to the tesla supercharging/battery swapping stations.

I think that they really don't want to sell a BEV. I think that this plug-in hybrid is an attempt to lure people onto the sales lot to look at the car and them steer them away towards something else. Gee, look at how many more gadgets you an get for less money in a pure ICE! Nudge, nudge. Those that are sold might just be compliance cars for credits in their eyes.

It is also only a 2 door car. Not good.

It isn't really a good EV.
It isn't really a good gas car.
As a result, it does neither well. So why would this be a compelling car to buy at $70,000?

The Model S is hugely successful because it does so many things at a stunning level that we can overlook a few minor issues (cup holders, 2nd row lack of headroom).

This Cadillac Volt would likely sell at $50,000. But I think it will struggle at the Model S price range.

When I started looking beyond basic hybrids, I was going to wait for this car, but the price started creeping up very close to Model S levels. At the price they are asking, it's really an unfair fight.

When I looked at Volts, Ford plug-ins, etc, it really was amazing in that the sales people either knew nothing about the cars or became visibly disinterested when I told them what I was looking for.

By making something that nobody wants, they can then point to its poor sales and say, "see… Nobody wants electric vehicles" ignoring the thousands of satisfied (obsessive? Elated? Ecstatic? ) Tesla owners.

But cupholders! (?)

That article is ridiculous except for this line: "Company executives have emphasized that ELR will be a low sales-volume car."

i agree, the major autos really don't want to make a good EV

@jeffstuff Elonic? High elonic?

Anybody remember the Cadillac Cimarron from the early '80s? It was essentially a tarted up Chevy Cavalier. Deja vu time!

The ELR web page says only 35 miles of EV range.

What makes me laugh, or at least smile, is that on the TMC site, Cadillac is paying to advertise. No chance that it will be able to compete with the S, but it is admittedly nice looking

This is what GM team came up with after studying Tesla? Are Americans dumb enough to believe it competes because it costs as much? Tesla is going to kick all these other companies right upside the head! They won't even know what happened until long after bankruptcy. I can't wait for a full range of models from Tesla. When Tesla starts selling trucks and seriously cuts into Ford and GM profits, then they'll know there is a problem. Imagine an F150 like vehicle that gets 100 mpge, so long Eco boost.

Hybrids are yesterday tech.

GM exec: So guys, how did our new EV project turn out?

GM engineer: Well sir, it has worse performance, less range, no SC network, worse onboard technology, worse design, less interior room, and higher maintenance costs than our competitors.

GM exec: So you're telling me we can charge a premium for it, then. Great work, guys!

GM board: Sounds good. With your strategy of saturating the market with crappy cars at high prices, you should just about avoid a complete disaster.

GM and the others don't understand a simple point that is at the forefront of this Tesla Model S owner's mind: Your car still needs gas. Any car that still needs gas is a failure. Toyota is skipping EVs altogether and is putting its money on vaporware known as the hydrogen fuel cell. Toyota is still hoping that infrastructure for this will be built in California, which will require a great deal of magic because this has been discussed now for 10-15 years and without any real progress.

One of the biggest advantages to EV ownership is charging at home. One of the best arguments towards greater EV adoption is that cleaning up the central power source instantly cleans up every car that relies on that power. ICE vehicles continue to burn gasoline and pollute for their entire lives.

This car buying consumer will dismiss every "new" vehicle that requires gasoline, no matter how little, or that cannot be fueled at home.

Someday the ICE world will figure out that Rube Goldburg hybrid mechanical electrical drives are just plain stupid.

The future will be pure battery


Battery with an onboard electrical generator, operating only when needed, at its absolute optimal RPM and load for optimal efficiency. Solves the truck and SUV problem where power demands to perform the intended function may exceed available battery power.

Via motors is on the right track with the right ideas for larger heavier vehicles.

Buying a plug in mechanical drive hybrid doubles your maintenance costs and repair complexity.

If Tesla made a four wheel drive .. PU85 (pick up ), with a natural gas turbo generator to provide supplemental electrical power and charging I would buy it tomorrow.

The ICE manufacturers seem to be stuck on mechanical drives and are afraid to go full electric drive for some reason.

They still don't get it...or don't want to.

This is indeed a sad lesson for GM... all of that time and money spent studying Tesla, and what is the take away? We need a luxury Volt! Oh boy.

What they need is F-luxury Capacitorx.

Are you sure about the lack of software upgrades? Our 2012 Ford Explorer has an upgradeable software. We have had 4-5 upgrades so far, all adding small features and fixing bugs. It is not done over the air but via a USB drive. It also has 3 selectable screens, one on each side of the speedo display and then the center console display (much smaller than the Tesla of course)

I do wish they would push more electrics. At least they have the spark now. Ford and Nissan are doing better. Toyota of course is the furthest behind...

It makes me sad. I would like to see other auto makers make BEV's to compete with Tesla because competition drives innovation and lowers prices. But until the management of big auto find a cure for their cranial rectitus I will drive my P85 and wait until the Gen III arrives.

Not a bad car. It is too bad they decided to price it so no one will buy it.

But the Caddy has "Power Assisted Cup Holders"! HAHAHAHAHA

C'mon. It's been more than 20 years since you could buy a new car with a "carbeurator".

It looks like a collapsed lung.

My good friend who is not yet a Tesla owner has always been a loyal GM guy who has worked for the company in the past. His opinion is that GM has decided to take a Chevrolet and re-emblem them to be a Cadillac ie: Cimerron and Escalade and now the ELR, to elevate its status and therefore justifying the inflated price. The vehicles do not come close to Tesla. By re badging a cheap Chevrolet doesn't alter the fact that it is a cheap Chevrolet. Range, safety, technology, performance and an all new concept in transportation is what makes a Tesla Model S in a league of its own. Cadillac needs to step it up and develop its own, rather than "trying" to compete with this highly and individually developed vehicle.
Why would he consider buying the Cadillac ELR that is a re-badged Volt, rather than the highly developed and well engineered Model S?
Tesla took the old GM plant and turned it into a beautiful, high tech and highly productive facility. This tells us that GM throws money away. Take a look at "Mega factories Tesla" on You Tube. You will be amazed at how Tesla has taken a derelict nonfunctioning "Ghost Town" and transformed it into the today high tech manufacturing facility. BUILT BY AND FOR AMERICANS IN AMERICA! The company could have been taken anywhere in the world but it is here!!!! Thank you Elon!!!!

This photo of the interior makes me laugh...

agreed, just ridiculous

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