"Really exciting @TeslaMotors announcement coming on Thursday. Am going to put my money where my mouth is in v major way."
What do you think about this?
Robert, an announcement about super capacitors would be quite unexpected, but not impossible. I know Musk has openly been looking for a team capable of the materials science know how as far back as 2006 (and probably earlier) that could produce a boombox sized super capacitor with the storage density comparable to a li-ion battery of similar size.
If he has successfully assembled that team and managed to keep it under wraps my earlier speculation is absolutely meager by comparison. With each brash comment he makes about it I become more suspect. Elon can be cocky, but usually only when he has the facts to back it up and that goes for the rest of the team he has assembled.
It's so obvious, Elon has purchased the rights to the USC Graphene super capacitor technology for Tesla and is setting up production. That also explains why the Supercharger network is not being rolled out as fast as planned, there will be no need for it!
No, there's a corporate amalgamation of some kind in the works. Nothing to do with supercapacitors or other technology. Unless he's going whole hog into his electric plane or hyperloop proposals, maybe linking LA and SF with a demo at a fraction the cost and a multiple of the speed and capacity of the CA Train to Nowhere.
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In reference to the prior supercapacitor comment the article I'm thinking of was a 2006 CNN money article referring to "Big Money Plays" for the future. This was 7 years ago and you'll note Khosla Ventures barking up the same tree in another section of the article right after Elon's. Elon's comment after the link in case something should happen to the link.
The New Power Play
The Investor: Elon Musk, co-founder, PayPal
What he's backed: SpaceX, Tesla Motors
What he wants now: As Musk's two most recent investments - in a space rocket and an all-electric sports car - suggest, the 35-year-old entrepreneur likes to think big. So he's intrigued by the promise of a next-generation battery called an ultracapacitor, capable of powering everything from cars to tractors. Unlike chemical batteries, ultracapacitors store energy as an electrical field between a pair of conducting plates. Theoretically, they can be charged in less than a second rather than hours, be recharged repeatedly without sacrificing performance, and far outlast anything now on the market.
"I am convinced that the long-term solution to our energy needs lies with capacitors," Musk says. "You can't beat them for power, and they kick ass on any chemical battery."
Musk would know: He was doing Ph.D. work at Stanford on high-energy capacitors before he helped get PayPal off the ground. At least one startup, EEStor in Texas, and a larger company, Maxwell Technologies in California, are working on ultracapacitors. Yet Musk believes a university-based research group has an equal shot at a commercial breakthrough, since universities are where the most promising research is bubbling up. "The challenge is one of materials science, not money," Musk says.
The team to pull this off, he says, would need expertise in materials science, applied physics, and manufacturing. Musk wants to see a prototype that can power something small, like a boom box. "Make one and show me that it works," Musk says. "Then tell me what's wrong with it and how it can be fixed."
What he'll invest: $4 million over two years for a working prototype
Send your pitch to: email@example.com. -- M.V.C.
It's not the hyperloop and not the electric plane. Neither would be Tesla news, just Elon Musk news. His tweet says Tesla. Whatever this is, it has to be about Tesla funding, models, or technology.
I agree, danielccc. Or also plans to clone key Tesla people. Or more likely, opening Tesla restaurants near superchargers... that would put money where our mouths are, wouldn't it. If it's a new restaurant chain, it's likely the "kale-eating overlord of Mars" (as per an article a few months ago) will have kale on the menu. Or if not, then maybe a garden near each supercharger. It's spring, after all, time to start gardening. Food has got to be involved, I think.
Because you know a restaurant beside a supercharger would be an excellent, although long-term, business move, the kind Elon the visionary deals in, the way commodity traders deal in oil or frozen concentrated orange juice. Tesla would be uniquely positioned to take advantage of this opportunity, since it creates the opportunity when it decides on a new supercharger location. To top it off, Tesla customers are wealthier than average, eager to support the cause and the brand, and nearly captive while their car is charging.
Restaurants? Not even close.
Not even close for sure. But wouldn't that be a nice idea? A restaurant chain with an advertising TV show Gordon Ramsey whipping Brian & others into super charged Marsian vegan shape. I would watch and super charge.
I would expect announcement of partnership of Ric Kaner / Maher El-Kady and Tesla motors. Development and manufacturing of graphene ultracapacitors.
Tomorrow at 2pm PDT, Elon live.
so how is this information comming to us on tuesday, blog, tweet, or event, and from where.
@up north - It's all there in the press release @shop linked to...
How important will this announcement be for the future of Tesla Motors? I think it will be very important. And it is positive news. I hope it will be some technological news (regarding batteries and/or superchargers).
On the other hand, it might also be economical/financial news. Maybe another company is involved in this (Daimler/Toyota/GM)?
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I still think it has to do with leveraging a TM-SpaceX connection, probably run as a holding company based on Elon's shareholdings and option warrants, etc. Synergy plus, and it involves Elon's money and mouth, and is more important than Q1 profits.
My guess is that Elon is investing in some promising energy storage company, and Tesla has exclusive rights to it for EVs. That would fit the long term aspect of it, money invested, and Tesla benefit.
Is TM the 'global oem car manufacturer' that Phinergy is alluding to? http://green.autoblog.com/2013/03/29/phinergy-aluminum-air-battery-good-...
Drinking water as fuel.
Do I want to believe this? Yes.
But wait a minute, is this really possible?
Have other scientists in the US not thought of this?
It is just too good to be true (but still I hope it is true).
The question is indeed: "which global oem car manufacturer"?
Tesla will Partnership with Walmart to develop shopping centers around the Supercharger network. This will give Tesla customers something to do as they cars are charging, and the green energy aspect will align with WalMarts sustainability goals.
May I ask how old you are?
No offence, but your knowledge of science seems to be not very great. Earlier I saw a comment of you in which you were suggesting something like 'regenerative driving' in which you suggested to put a dynamo or something inside the wheels for generating electricity.
Now you are suggesting drinking water as fuel???
I really appreciate your involvement with Tesla, but I can strongly recommend you to take some science classes or reading books about it (math/physics/chemistry). Not too advanced, but just regarding basic stuff.
I think it will be helpful for you and it will make clear to you why I write this post ;-)
Bart84 - he was refering to the battery in the post before... and yes that battery is drinking water.
The announcement isn't out yet, but you can see it on tesla's homepage now - you can lease a Tesla and Elon is using his money to insure the resale value of the car.
I guess this means that we don't have to worry about anyone killing the electric car anymore.
After all the wild speculation here that was kind of anti-climactic, IMHO...
Very much so. Especially after all the other more exciting news earlier this week.
Yeah, do you feel a little run over by Elon's/Tesla's marketing machine? Real impressive how he can virtually grab the attention of a considerable portion of the internet or electric car community for a week. So I guess it's good news, but I guess seeing Elon the "kale eating overlord of Mars" serving us lunch at his supercharger restaurant will have to be for another time. And nice video of the graphene ultracapacitor, Starling75. Hopefully that pans out, too, one day.
For me it was the most exciting news possible... and it was in the early running on this board. Why? Shows me Elon is serious about meeting full year targets. Number one priority is making profit as a pure EV manufacturer - this alone will change the landscape and enable TM to continue on its path. The other hints Elon made, SC and service are very much needed too, but not essential - we have wait another day.
My mind is blown from that announcement. I really need Brian H to do the math and calculations on this, but it seems to me that anyone in the US who drove any sort of decent car is now able to 'own' a Model S.
How much does one spend on gas each month (on average?) Here in Belgium (EU), with a sedan the size of the Model S, 500$ is about the amount I spend on diesel alone!
I lease a car (through the company) and under these alledged terms I'd now be able to drive a Model S. This is great material to negotiate the lease terms of a Model S. Now the lease company should no longer be able to put a 'premium' price on the Model S like a BMW 7 or the Mercedes S.
rlano, I think you are right. It also depends on you having a good credit score, but basically yes. I own a Subaru Impressa and as soon as my contract is over I'm getting a Model S!!! It's only going to cost me about 160 dollars more, minus gas savings. I'll actually come ahead a about a hundred bucks a month. ;) This is awesome!!!!
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