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Supercharger Locations

Since the announcement of Superchargers on Sept. 25, I've not seen any mention anywhere about detailed plans or installations of Supercharger stations outside the first few that are still prominent on the web site.

In the Motor Trend announcement they were talking about Milford Ct. and Wilmington DE. Did those happen?

It's time to start thinking about 2013 vacation plans and it'd be nice to know if the East Coast will have stations (or anywhere else for that matter).

We need supercharger stations from the New England states down to Florida on the east coast. Would be nice to know what TM plans for the next six months. The locations and expected completion dates. Kudos to TM for doing this and starting to get the EV infrastructure up and running.

I won't assume everyone's read this blog. It points to the weakest spots between DC and Florida.

Now that Newark, DE and Milford, CT are up and running getting from Boston to DC should be a problem. Need a charge in DC and then you're off into the land of KOA campgrounds.

For all looking for superchargers in cities, that is the wrong concept of them. They are designed for long distance travel and placed along highway routes that we all travel. So in between cities.
Take a look at where all 6 current stations are located, but take out the Hawthorne- space x one, as that was the unveil however it does work for the i5 route down to San Diego from tejon pass supercharger.

Looking down the East Coast, Tesla needs to fill the gap between Milford, CT and Newark, DE. It's 200 miles, a bit of a stretch, and forces us through the GWB bottleneck to conserve range. The East Brunswick area would work, right near the Garden State Parkway interchange, provided there are no issues with using the service plazas or NJ regulations I'm not aware of.

South of DC, it's 150 miles between Newark, DE and Fredericksburg, VA. Then its a matter of convenient spacing down to FL, taking into account interstate junctions so that we get the best bang for the buck with the placement.

If we wait for TM to set-up all Supercharger stations alone very few of us will ever be happy. I don't want to wait to watch one or Supercharging stations open a month.

Hey Tesla! Partner with someone! We would rather pay a few bucks for a charge then wait in line or be forced to use our gas cars.

Here are a few potential partners to start you off...

- a large hotel chain
- a large food or coffee/donut chain
- even an existing gas station chain with vision!

dstiavnicky --- "[Partner with an] ... existing gas station chain with vision..."

This is the funniest thing I've heard all year (2012).

Grazie!

@JohnQ - While we really feel your pain needing to fill the 200 mile gap between Milford & Newark, those of us a little further South would prefer to start filling the 1150 mile gap between Miami and Newark. Besides, it's way too cold and snowy up there to get any serious construction/installation done, send the crews to Florida for the winter, they'll be much happier. Installation crews - start emailing George B.

@schererd - I live in Metro-Detroit - I believe there will be two SuperChargers in Michigan by the end of 2015, according to the Supercharging map presented at the September SC Event.

@bobinfla ... Yup, I'm being a bit parochial :-).

I'm curious if the rollout timetable is based on limited personnel resources needed to negotiate locations with landholders and regulatory authorities or management of cash flow. Probably both.

I raise my hand to represent Florida in the parochial category. Have a Tampa to Jacksonville via Daytona trip in Feb (assuming I'll have my S by then) and a half hour supercharged would beat the heck out of a 5 hour campground stop.

bobinfla -- you have remember that Tesla is a California company. That's why the first 6 supercharges it that state. Eventually, they will make it possible for a West Coast / East Coast trek, and for free. Tessa's feather in their cap.

TDurden1990
Glad you enjoyed a good laugh... I guess it was a bit of a stretch ;)

One other point, California taxpayers are funding $100 Million for electric charging stations. Maybe they are also a very progressive state.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/uciliawang/2012/03/23/california-to-build-a-...

Article says the 100 million came from a lawsuit against energy companies not from taxes. Unclear whether the charging stations will support super fast charging.

I heard that TM/SCity have gear and crews ready to go, but are having to squeeze through local knotholes. Let's start a rumor that gas stations and companies are trying to block the permitting. It might even be true!

Just took a trip from Bay Area to Los Angeles (and back) with my Model S and exclusively used the supercharger stations. Here are my high level comments for those looking for practical feedback (vs. hypothetical location info - which I appreciate too :)

Process: Literally you pull up (need to make sure your car charging port is as close as possible to charging cord as they are generally not very long), get out of your car, pull the Tesla Supercharger out, push the button at the end of the charger (similar looking to your own home/mobile charger input) and your charge port opens, and you stick it in.

I'd recommend that Tesla formally creates some etiquette around the superchargers, as I came across multiple owners who were charging their batteries to the very top (100% full) which resulted in longer than normal waits at Harris Ranch (more on this below). Other than that the process is easy and these stations are GAME CHANGERS imo. There needs to be more education on how the supercharger is meant to be a quick source of 150 mile infusions to owners batteries, b/c the top end (full charge) requires a LOT more charge time and from what I experienced with other owners (who wanted to fully "top off") it resulted in folks spending 1+ hours clogging up chargers.

Stations: I used Tejon, Harris Ranch, Gilroy and have visited Folsom as well.
Tejon - this is by far the best station (also the model photo on Tesla's supercharger page) b/c there are 6 spots (only 4 operational today) covered by solar panels; and within 300 yards there are (Chipotle, In-N-Out, Starbucks, convenience store and other food options). These appear to all be 90kwh output chargers too - this is a BIG plus.
Harris Ranch - this is currently a bottleneck for north / south trips as there is only 1 charging port. On my way down I had to only wait 20 minutes but I was lucky as right behind me another two model s vehicles arrived (presumably the last car there had to wait approximately 1.5 hours longer than if there was no line).
Gilroy - the location of these is great (behind In-N-Out / Sony outlet store; 100's of outlet stores and other food within a thousand yards) however it appears only 2 of the 4 charging stations were of the 90kwh variety, the others were apparently 45kwh.
Folsom - when I was here only 1 station was operational however they were in the process of installing 3 more. Similar to Gilroy, these are at the outlet mall just off highway 50 (on the way to South Lake Tahoe) with plenty of shopping & food options within a short walk.

Overall I'm extremely proud to be a Tesla Model S owner, Tesla as a company is pushing the envelope in so many ways and these supercharger stations are a prime example of it. The fact that I could drive nearly 400 miles each way (in luxury & performance) in nearly the same timeframe a ICE vehicle can make it is incredible. Yes there are LOTS of things to work out and even little items on my car that need to be tweaked (ie my passenger side mirror is not operational :( but this company is going in the right direction and helping push a revolution to more efficient, cleaner and the most enjoyable driving experience on the road. Thank you!

@joshwetzel - regarding etiquette, from reading trip blogs, it sounds like those people charged to near 100% because they had to have the range to reach their next stop. Maybe you want to separate the chargers so some are reserved for short chargers, but I don't think you want to require people to not charge to 100% if they need it. I do hope they were using the 45kW chargers where some were slower, since the charge rate drops off as you get a higher charge.

Tesla Don't forget about the midwest!(chicago) you need to add one around bloomington/normal IL VERY EV friendly actually called EVTOWN, That would support the St. Louis to Chicago corridor. Also you could branch out from there, IE: Indianapolis, st. louis- rockford, Cincinnati, louisville. Or further. I would also suggest outside of Indianapolis. 5 interstates pass through Normal IL, Great place to make connections, Springfield, Champaign, and Peoria. Need more superchargers

Having just completed a trip between Northern Calif and Tucson, I know about needing a Range charge. What occurred to me in Barstow, where I absolutely needed to squeeze everything I could into Tess, was that the last 10-20 miles of range shows as using only 12 and under amps. Would seem to me that having a couple of 14-50 plugs available would allow you to move off the SC to a 14-50 with no real difference in charging time.

Seems like Tesla is looking at where they deliver the cars and installing the superchargers as the density of Model S owners justifies them. This seems rational.

I talked about this with a business school buddy of mine. The AHA moment is this:

Other manufacturers know how many cars DEALERS have ordered but not where the CARS go. Tesla knows exactly where EVERY car is based. So, they can match supercharger capacity to demand. Very cool.

Interesting to see that lines are already starting to form at superchargers. In a year when there are 20000 model S in the US, everyone will see why there are NOT superchargers in cities. You would need many, many positions to satisfy the desire for free daily charging.

From what I have read, California has very expensive electricity, too. This would increase the incentive to maximize supercharging for the Model S owners. Here in WA state, our power is cheap, so charging at home is very economical.

The other thing Tesla can do- who knows if they are doing this- is decide to prioritize deliveries by how ready Tesla is to support the car (ie when service centers and/or superchargers are in place) OR they could drive the other way (deliver where there is demand and then put in the infrastructure.

The former better protects the customer service experience (ie avoid lots of cars very far from service center and super heavy Ranger use); the latter preserves the sense of fairness (deliveries in sequence order).

Some of the long lines may be locals topping off. I predict the time will come when you won't be allowed to use a SC within, say 100 miles of your home base.

Tesla could install a couple of HPWCs at each site and shut off supercharging after 90% SOC or so. Or where it falls below 10kW. This could actually be configured per car, ie. shut down supercharging at 10kW if single charger and at 20kW if twin chargers.

This would also help 40kWh owners to go a little further.

The first thing that needs to be done is to fix the bottleneck at Harris Ranch. 4 bays in Gilroy to the north, 4 in Tejon to the south, 1 at Harris? C'Mon, Man!

I went for a run at lunch time around Fedex Field (Redskins stadium). They have an 8000 panel solar array that supposedly provides a certain amount on game days, then completely supplies the stadium for the rest of the week (2 MW reported). NRG Energy set it up. Plenty of evgo charging stations around, and more under the array - serves as a covered parking lot.
If this is even a fraction of the scale that Solar City and Tesla have in mind, I'm sure they can add multiple charging ports at each SC station.

Would love to know more about the Fedex field charging. That's conveniently on I-95.

But the real question is that it's been 4 months now since the supercharger announcement. Other than the two on the East Coast, anything else?

As another owner suggested, to make it to 100 in 2013, Tesla would have to be opening one every 3.5 days.

What about supercharger stations along I-95 from Baltimore to Miami? What are the plans for this route and what would be the timing (2013, 2014)for this installation?

That's the problem rhegg, nobody knows the plan.

It's a problem because owners and future owners can't plan into the future.

There's no strategic reason not to announce a plan. It's not like there's a worry about competition. And because there's no reason not announce, we have to worry that there isn't really anything more than vapor (a single slide in a Powerpoint presentation with dots on it).

This just can not be rocket science. Thousands of chargers are already set up across the country so sure there is a deployment model to follow.

Heck Tesla owners have even offered to sponsor Superchargers (this charge brought to you by .....).

There are a lot of things I don't get about Tesla (why is my navigation system so primitive?). What I think it comes down to is either the hubris to think they can do it all themselves, or the lack of capacity to partner to expand the offering.

@rhegg - The only concrete info I have is from a conversation I had with George B in Miami. His stated goal was for someone to be able to travel from South Miami (Homestead) to North Orlando, and from S Miami to Naples. That would mean a super charger near Port St Lucie, and Fort Myers.

He has a home in Miami, so it should be on the priority list. :-)

DanD;
False. TM does not know where it can get adequate siting yet, and announcing general plans always creates massive expectations and demands. People were trying to take the programmer's random guesses on the sample map as commitments!

Telsa also has a job posting for a Senior Project Manager to develop the SuperCharger Network. I am guessing progress will speed up after that position is filled.


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