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I live in Dallas where summer temps can exceed 100 degrees and often park at golf course for at least. 5 hours. I definitely use sunshades but almost burnt off the skin of my hands when I touched the metal handles. Any suggestions?

Wear Kevlar oven gloves to open the door! With a model S, the door handles can be programmed to present when one approaches the car. (At least with the Tech Package). With retracted handles, they should not be quite as hot on the inside as completely exposed handles.

The door handles should have been retracted while parked, meaning that they should have been sheltered from the Sun's rays (at least the part that you would pull on with your finger tips to open the door), so I'm not understanding how you managed to injure your fingers.

Some people have the chrome door handles wrapped, or plasti-dipped. This apparently makes them a mite bit easier to... erm... handle... in hot, sunny areas.

LeonarD and just an allusion. The shade has almost no effect. The handles are a solid piece of metal that conducts the heat really really well. The inside edge of the handle is almost exactly the same temperature as the outside because the heat conduction of metal completely overwhelms the effect of shade.

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@Rocky_H

Perhaps, perhaps indeed as many metals are great conductors of heat, disseminating the radiated solar heat energy throughout its bulk, though I've not yet encountered this phenomena myself...Lucky me?!

I think you are just thinking of it in isolation. A piece of metal in the shade probably wouldn't have that problem. But the outside of the handle through a centimeter of metal, is still getting a constant input of a high level of heat energy pouring into it. That doesn't let the shady side have a chance to cool down.

Chrome handles sound like the way to go, but are do they actually make it cool enough to handle safely? As a personal injury lawyer in Orange County, it rarely gets hot enough for this to be a serious problem, but it would be good for Tesla to be aware of and address this in some manner.

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On hot days, just use the mobile app to turn on the AC in your car 10-15 minutes before you leave. The Heat/AC in the car blow over the handles. They were designed this way for winter use so when the handles get iced over, they will melt the ice enough to allow them to present. If you turn on the AC in the car, it will cool the handles enough to make them not burn your hand.

Driving. Gloves.

Thing is, the automotive industry has been manufacturing automobiles with polished/chromed metal handles for over a century, many of which have been sold in, or whose owners reside in, areas around the World that enjoy sweltering, scorching, even sizzling climates, and yet not one report of someone 'burning the flesh off of their hand(s)', let alone blistering them.

It is for this reason that I feel that zeitmanp is purposely being a bit overzealous in their accounting of the matter as a means of belittling our ever embattled EV/marque of choice & so, B.S.! I say.

Paint. Works. Too.

The business end of the Superchargers get quite hot too in the sun all day long.

The MS handles recess and get no airflow until they are extended. This prevents convective cooling. Since they are poor radiators (chrome) they stay hot (unlike the car body). Some form of active, or at least passive / conductive, heat sink may be needed.

Thing is this very issue has been raised in more than one thread on this forum and in the Model S forum as well with story lines remarkably similar in detail, though under different names like " zeitmanp" and "sack".

This, coupled with the fact that the automotive industry is some 125 years old now and has produced literally thousands of vehicles with all manner of door handles, be they polished metal, chrome, billet aluminum, and other.

Inasmuch as this is the case, this issue has been a commonplace one in the automotive world for over a century now and has been addressed a number of ways, so I'm not seeing its being brought up here serving any purpose other than as yet another snide remark against Tesla Motors and consider those who've raised this issue as little more than POSER TROLLS out to defame Tesla Motors and their efforts to improve Life for all with yet some more silly, nuanced, largely irrelevant BS.

@justanallusion: " this issue has been a commonplace one in the automotive world for over a century now and has been addressed a number of ways"

You are so right...and yet, it has been a couple of years, and Tesla has not come up with any ways of addressing it.

There is an outside vendor at the service center in Costa Mesa, Ca. that I hear has a solution to this problem. From what I heard they have used a military grade heat absorbing rubber type material with adhesive on the back and developed a kit that can be applied the the inside of the door handle to prevent burning...

illusion;
The list of cars with fully recessed extending chrome handles is very short. 1. Tesla 2. ...

@just an allusion | JULY 21, 2014:

"... this issue has been a commonplace one in the automotive world for over a century now and has been addressed a number of ways, so I'm not seeing its being brought up here serving any purpose other than as yet another snide remark against Tesla Motors ..."

These remarks dismiss a very real concern: Discomfort from handling a hot metal object. Do you mean that you don't think the MS handles get "too hot" for comfort when the car is parked in the sun for an hour or more on hot (100 degrees F) days? Have you ever experienced that situation?
Several people have reported that they have felt such uncomfortably hot handles. Do you believe they are just making up stories to detract from Tesla's splendid reputation?

I consider the reports of hot handles to be plausible. I'd prefer to think of them as reasonable, not the work of Tesla's detractors.

BTW, what's the hottest day you've gotten into a Tesla sitting in the hot sun? Were the handles comfortable?

Ron :)

@Grinnin'

I haven't said that it isn't an issue and have even gone so far as to note that it has been an ongoing one for well over a century now, yet am dismissing it as a minuscule/inconsequential one given the fact that it has been commonplace in automotive nomenclature since its (the automobile) introduction.

The simple fact of the matter is that ANY car's door handles can become a bit too hot when exposed to the rays of the Sun for an extended period of time, yet it is a momentary, fleeting discomfort that commuters the World over have tolerated for 125+ years, so I'm really not seeing the need for all of the hoopla.

It's like you just can't satisfy some people no matter what you do, they'll eternally be perpetually discontent and embittered, relishing in every bit of minutia they can find to gripe about...SHEESH!

p.s. @Grinnin

And, no, I've not yet encountered a day when I've found the handles too hot to the touch to open the door, though I have experienced this on any number of other cars I've owned over the years, so I know that it is a REAL issue, just not one significant enough to stop me or any of the other billions of automobile owners over the 125+ years of the automotive industry from getting into or out of our cars.

Oh, calling me a troll for discussing this problem rationally. Thanks for that--very classy.

Rocky_H: I don't think JAA was calling you a troll, I think he was just saying this is the sort of subject that is cherry-picked by trolls, who repost here and elsewhere...

Not that I have experience this issue here in CT, but the idea of adhering felt, rubber, etc to the inside of the handle sounds like a great idea. Though, if the handle is getting that hot that one is actually suffering burns or serious discomfort, I would imagine any adhesive will not hold up.

Perhaps its the way people are opening their doors. What I mean by that is I only grab/tug the handle long enough to get the door open a bit. I then either grab the window or the trailing edge of the chrome trim along the top of the door to open the door fully. So I am not holding onto the door handle to feel any heat build up.

@Rocky_H, Red Sage & jordanrichard

The point is that if a hot door handle were that BIG of an issue as it has been made out to be here, then don't you think that someone over the 125+ years of automotive history would've prompted a re-engineering of this one teeny, tiny, itty, bitty bit of automotive nomenclature...?

And since they haven't in some 125+ years, it is my position that this largely irrelevant matter is being blown way the hell out of proportion, you know, like a internet troll would do!

Shenanigans I tell you, SHENANIGANS!!

@just an allusion | JULY 24, 2014:

"The point is that if a hot door handle were that BIG of an issue as it has been made out to be here, then don't you think that someone over the 125+ years of automotive history would've prompted a re-engineering of this one teeny, tiny, itty, bitty bit of automotive nomenclature...?"

I thought that you knew that Tesla's door handles retract into the doors. They differ fundamentally from the common car doors "over the 125+ years of automotive history". Since there is almost no air flow around them, they can get uncomfortably hot.

This problem didn't stop me from ordering and MS, nor did it motivate me to dump my TSLA stock at a profit. But it is a minor problem. And I, like many others, think Tesla should fix it.

Ron :)

P.S. I'm not worried about the trolls and Tesla bashers. I assume that they will do their thing, resisting Tesla's bold BEVs. I'm confident that as this plays out, the truth will prevail. And I believe that the truth is that we're seeing the early stages of a BEVs remake of the auto industry. Go Tesla!

@just_an_allusion:
"The point is that if a hot door handle were that BIG of an issue as it has been made out to be here"

I'm not saying it's a BIG issue. I'm not the one talking about blisters and third degree burns, but you decided I was the one to call a troll. I am saying it's a bad design, and it was a bad idea to do.

"And since they haven't in some 125+ years..."

Oh, but they HAVE. You act as if EVERY car has solid metal handles, but they don't. Most cars don't because the manufacturers know it's a bad idea. They're rare because of this problem.

"largely irrelevant matter"

It's not irrelevant. It's bad design, but it's minor. If people were comparing two (Accord/Camry for example) that were pretty similar, but one of them had these metal handles that people knew would be burning their hands in the summer, that would be a negative mark to consider in weighing which car to choose. The market would kind of sort itself out, that cars with metal handles might sell a little less well than similar cars that don't have them. In this case, there is nothing else like the Model S, so most of the rest of the car is amazing, and I would not want to give up having it just because of this problem, but it is a problem. They could mount a plastic piece on the backside of the handle to pull on, and it wouldn't change the nice outside appearance. I just think it's worth reminding them that they could address this issue in the future.

@Grinnin'

Mine have never gotten too-hot-too-touch, yet...Maybe they will, maybe they won't, I do not yet know.

Nor have any of the other metallic-handled car doors of the various vehicles I've had, and have, in my life gotten too-hot-to-touch, let alone caused anything even remotely resembling severe burns, and I've either lived in, worked in or visited damn near every state, country, and continent all around the World, so I am speaking solely from personal experience.

Perhaps some are of a softer, more temperature-sensitive countenance than I? They could be, I don't know, though I do know that we are all individuals and physiologically unique unto ourselves, so I suppose that it could be possible, but it isn't attributable to the Tesla's handles' material constituency or articulating design, that's just BS.

Also, while the retractability of the handles might limit air flow, their lack of exposure to the Sun's radiance for the duration of the time that the vehicle is both parked and driven serves a function similar to the exposure to air flow does for conventional door handles in that this functionality keeps the majority of their mass shaded from the Sun's rays, reducing their direct exposure to the radiant heating of the Sun throughout the vehicles' exposure to the outdoor elements...This functionality is beneficial in a number of ways beyond the mere aesthetic appeal and will not be omitted.

Yes, trolls are gonna troll, I just like exposing them to prevent them from acquiring any degree of credibility that would enable them to further their acts of defamation and slander or gain a toehold in the community.

@just an allusion | JULY 26, 2014"

"Yes, trolls are gonna troll, I just like exposing them to prevent them from acquiring any degree of credibility that would enable them to further their acts of defamation and slander or gain a toehold in the community."

Your intent seems to be good.
But I question how well your tactics work.
In my mind, the word "troll" is an insult.
I think it's far better to challenge forum participants who harbor malicious intent directly on the merits (or lack of merits) of their claims.

Good luck.

Ron :)


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