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How many people would still buy the Model S if it didn't have the big 17 inch screen with all the bells and whistles. Tesla marketing know that was the big fact selling the Model S. The first Gen didn't have it so they knew they wouldn't be ale to sell more Model S without it. My guess would be around 30-40% of sales

@ Pungoteague_Dave

"I just drove 168 miles ths evening since my last post, between my homes, and set the cruise control at 64 in the sections that have 55 mph limits, 74, in the 65 areas, and 50 in the 45 mph areas. I did not pass anyone the entire time on very busy roads, but was constantly passed by traffic, including several police cars that were just cruising, not on calls. I am considered a slow driver, and in some cases, an impediment to traffic. I had 18 miles left in the tank upon arrival, less than is responsible in my opinion."

You do not drive fast at all!!! Which means that I was wrong about your style of driving. I apologise for that.

How did you not expect to have limited range when the SC network started up less than 6 months ago? And how much money have spent on "fueling up" compared to your previous cars? I like your comments, but wish you would give a picture of the benefits you've experienced over your short time of ownership. If you are putting out all this info to give readers perspective, then outline your benefits as well. If no benefits, then why own it?

PD: that's the same as saying it's not comfortable running a marathon in 5 inch high heels. Right tool for the right job.

PD;
You err when you say transportation is a means to get somewhere, and cars are appliances. As MS buyers (usually) are discovering, career and daily slog are just the means to acquire a Model S and enjoy driving it.

PD -- this is a repost from @jat on another thread:

"The EPA rated range of 265 miles assumes an average of about 312Wh/mi, and the ideal range of 300 miles (constant 55mph on flat ground with no HVAC) comes to about 275Wh/mi. I haven't driven for efficiency (driving ~80 on the interstate and making use of the accelerator), and I am averaging about 370Wh/mi. It is very easy to achieve 320Wh/mi by just dropping the speed slightly on the interstate, and the one time I tried to see how low I could get the energy usage I was able to get about 290Wh/mi (still with half my commute at interstate speeds). All of the above is with moderate heating use (it has typically been 40-50F around here since I got the car."

Were you aware of this first part of the above statement about the wh/mi or is this news? If so, does you wh/mi not reflect the 265 average wh/mi?

Guys P-D is right. I live in LA. I have 3300 miles on my MS average 359 wh/mi. Set cruise to 65 on the freeway and have everyone pass me, including Yugo's. Works out to 235 miles on a full charge and keeping 25% in reserve for emergencies makes it 176 miles for a reasonable person. Temperatures here have ranged from 40 to 80 degrees F since I got the car.

Well, the "25% for emergencies" effectively means you're operating with a 75% battery, and .75x85=63 kWh, max. So effectively you're pretending you've got a 60kWh battery "for safety". In LA, that seems like massive overkill. Maybe anywhere.

So in order to avoid having to "drive slow if you get too low", you're prepared to leave 25% of the battery full at all times? In sparsely populated country and cold weather, prudent perhaps. Otherwise, making the car work with one wheel tied behind its trunk. Or SLT.

@RanjitC, I repeat what I said to P_D: "Remember, what is normal to you applies to you, rest of the world might disagree, and some part almost certainly does.".

Saying that "These cars cannot go 300 miles or 265 miles in ANY normal driving circumstance" is just plain false because that doesn't apply to everyone. I could get that and more easily if Tesla charts are anywhere near realistic driving like I normally do.

Ran, you need to increase your speed if you do not want everyone passing you

If you enjoy speed, then plan for 175 miles... Thats what I am reading here, and that is fine. If you are more frugal with the throttle, then expect more range. Too easy.

Since my commute is 12 miles each way, Im probably going to be speedy a lot more often. With charging every night, I can have my cake and eat it too. If I want to travel a bit, and there are no Superchargers or other chargers, Ill probably drive a little more frugally, and expect to only go about a 100 mile radius, which is plenty to get to Raleigh or Charlotte.

Yep. Go slow to go mo', Joe.

Note that many new owners are discovering the joys of "surface roads" (secondary highways). Lower speeds are often compensated by more direct routing. And superior scenery.

Please may I toss in a reminder: Gas cars have huge drawbacks. Sure, they can do 10 over the speed limit, and refuel in 10 minutes, and go 220 miles on a (big enough) tank, but nowhere do I read that there are huge compromises demanded when driving an ICE car. You have gotten used to living with them, that's fine. I refuse to live with them, and I don't mind at all driving in the slower lane. I never have people stacking up behind me, and I get consistently over 275 miles per charge. I also think that the idea that you can't range charge is a little silly, because you can, the car was designed to do it, and if the trade off is to drive a huge gas engine down the road, you are making choices I wouldn't make.

Rob
13,000 miles on 85 kWh battery Model S

Rob -- have you gone in for the 12.5k mile inspection yet? Would interesting to hear your experience...

This has gone seriously off topic, so ...

The 17 inch screen was initially a negative because I expected to really suck like the Ford system and the couple of other German ones I've had a chance to try in friend's cars. After using the Tesla screen, it is fine, especially compared to my fears. The plus side is the back up camera and the navigation don't need dashboard space in addition to a bunch of knobs and buttons.

One thing I haven't tried yet is whether the Tesla screen works with gloves on.

Depends on the gloves. Touch-gloves are commonplace, now.

Could somebody please drive the same route (at the same speed) as Pungoteague_Dave's route in another Tesla Model S. Because maybe we might get a totally different result than Pungoteague_Dave did get with his own Tesla Model S. Maybe that will lead to some clarification on why Pungoteague_Dave does not get more milage? I would really like it, if our friend Pungoteague_Dave somehow would be convinced to be just a bit more positive about the real world miles of the Tesla Model S.

Roblab. Really? Yes the car is designed to be range charged but IT WILL REDUCE battery life. Read page 17 of the manual. The company says it should only be used sparingly.

You obviously value your time on earth less than I do. You are serving the technology rather than having the technology serve you. That's your choice but you can never get back those hours spent dawdling along to either make a point or serve some sanctimonious purpose that only you will care about.

We love our Model S, but have a more practical view. You may THINK you aren't driving an ICE, but you are doing so every day when you eat, buy products, use service providers who drives trucks, etc. Even your sustainable farmer comes to the local farmers market with his products in a truck, and YOU share in that ICE use when you buy his product. I have diesel tractors on my farm. No chance they will be replaced by batteries in our lifetime. I have a dozen outboard engines in use on my oyster aquaculture farm, along with dozens of other ICE driven machines like power washers, chainsaws, farm-use ATV's, and work trucks.

Stop by any TM Service Center. I was at Rockville on Saturday. They have a half dozen diesel Ford F250 trucks there with rollback flatbeds to service our EV's, with the Tesla logo n the side. The Model S could not exist without them. You can't and don't and won't live without internal combustion engines improving your life every day. To act in a sanctimonious fashion and feel better about our impact on the earth is to live in a self-deluded fantasy world. I own more solar panels than probably any other Model S owner, have a sustainable farming business that employs lots of people and cleans our part of the Chesapeake Bay, and drive a Model S. I have no illusion that doing so makes the world a better place.

+1 @P_D

:)

@ Pungoteague_Dave

"Stop by any TM Service Center. I was at Rockville on Saturday. They have a half dozen diesel Ford F250 trucks there with rollback flatbeds to service our EV's, with the Tesla logo n the side."

Let's hope that they will be electric as well in the (near) future.

P_D -- have no illusions most people want to change our dependence of foreign oil as soon as possible. Tesla, specifically, is one of the only answers we have to doing that right now. I don't know about you, but I'm very pissed off that my friends and fellow soldiers have died because we cant understand this. Enough is enough. If you only see a short range bev and feel lied to by Tesla, then sell it those families that have lost someone because I'm sure they would gladly take it. This isn't just about a car, this is about our future and those that have given all for this country to preserve that future. I wish there were more ways to "beat the enemy" or "secure American liberty" but there are not. After searching for years, this one idea is the most promising. Change how we consume energy. Tesla, and Elon Musk, of all things, is the one thing out there that really will make the change happen sooner then later. No one else seems to be stepping up to the plate to do it. I'm willing to spend way more money on car and accept growing pains then I ever would have to help move this thing forward.

This is my generation though. Maybe you don't understand it.

And I'm tired of the phrase "I love my Tesla, but..."

So underhanded. If you love your tesla, stop writing on the forums and actually give Tesla constructive critism in person or through direct correspondence. Help them get better, don't be counterproductive of you love the car.

That's just me.

The whole "foreign oil" meme is so last century. The US is de facto already oil and energy independent. That will become more and more obvious as known new reserves now opening up are exploited.

In any case, less than 20% of consumption now depends on Gulf oil, and that is dropping yearly. Since oil sales are "fungible", they could/would be replaced by other sources if those nations decided to "cut off" sales to the US, and the supply/purchase deck were shuffled.

Brian H -- you have no idea what you are talking about my friend. Absolutely none. Don't even go there with me on this subject. First hand knowledge trumps the shit out of whatever website you get your info.

Heh. The USGS & GAO, to start. And the biggest "foreign oil" supplier is Canada. Aside from that, frac gas has changed the energy picture, for good. Almost all new generation plant is going that way, now. Solar, e.g., isn't even a bit player.

Yes, lets argue about energy indepence in the U.S. in a thread titled "17 inch screen."

Seems incredibly applicable :)

Back to the 17 " screen, I got a Nushield dayvue screen which sadly does not cut down reflections or fingermarks.Where do I get touch gloves?


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