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Canadian model S tour

The Canadian model S tour starts tomorrow in Ottawa. Next week it will be in Laval where I can finally see it "live". I think TM will receive more Canadian orders if they release the Canadian pricing. I hope that my fellow Canadians will post any news/information that they get from TM reps. on the Canadian tour.

Oh I hope that thing makes a stop here on the East coast. I really wanna see a Tesla with my own eyes once this year. -.-

Ottawa and Laval are as far east as the tour goes. See EVENTS on this website.

I'll be in Laval next week too. And make sure to report anything that as not been report yet...if any.

We must all report new information on the model S.

I'll be in Laval next week.. most likely on Satruday. Hopefully we'll get to go inside the car if we tell them we are reservation holders.

@Stephen, I agree they really need to release the canadian pricing. With current exchange rates beeing almost 1:1 for the last 3 years and no custom duties because of NAFTA I hope Telsa prices out the car very very close to the US pricing.

Alex
P# 256 (CAN)

I agree with you on the exchange issue. I am P157.

I was fortunate to see and ride in Model S in California at the Open House in September. I'm looking forward to seeing the changes when the tour comes to Sherway Gardens on May 23rd.
Has anyone heard how our reservation numbers will be integrated with the US reservations as they begin production?
Also, how will they know which of us wants which size of battery? I understand that the largest battery cars will be produced first. It seems that will change the order of delivery substantially.

Catherine
P#113 (CAN)

Hello Catherine,

The last I heard the 300 Mile Battery Pack is first to drop and since all the Signature cars come with that pack, there is no need for any others until the productions model numbers start. It's expected sometime in the Fall for 230 Pack and Winter for the 160.

I have no idea how international orders will work as I'm in California, but they will offer you the packs available at the time of your order finalization I am sure and you can defer your order to later if the smaller pack you want isn't available.

Did I get that right gentlemen?

Tesla Motors, you made my day yesterday when I received the email. I will finally get to see it live.

I'm going to be at Carrefour Laval on Wednesday evening for sure. I already invited the wife, kids and some friends. See you there Montreal Tesal enthusiasts!

I'm being realistic for my P#179 TMS 230 delivery date. I expect the config email to come around December '12 and delivery around end of Q1 '13. When I reserved mine (around August '11), US production was around 4,600. I expect to be behind a thousand US Sig + one hundred Can Sig + 4,600 US prod. So assuming they follow that order (with a few plusses and minuses due to battery pack and geography), P179 will likely be into the new year.

The one and only deal breaker question (other than Can pricing obviously) I have is how will I be able to maintain my TMS. I'm not asking for a store but just one repair facility in Montreal.

At the very least I'd think there will be a Ranger stationed in Montreal. I understand that most of the service can be done over WiFi and you shouldn't (assuming quality control is as expected) be needing any physical service for about a year.

Thanks Jerry3, you are right, part of the EV benefit should be less/no maintenance. I read in this forum that Tesla has a once a year maintenance for the Roadster at the cost of around $600 however that is if you don't have the pay the ranger mileage. And that Model S would require something similar.

@ Valkus

don't despair. I believe it is a matter of time. The last Canadian event was in Toronto and now you see, we have Ottawa, Laval. The fooptrint is getting bigger. They should go east at some point.

As a former Vancouverite all the places you mentioned are east.

jerry;
Yep; from here, even Calgary is the Near East, as opposed to the Far Deep Dark East. >;)

Just visited the tour here in Ottawa.

Got lots of questions answered.

They still don't have info on financing though.

And maybe it's because it's a Beta, but the interior seems a little bland to me. I'm going to go back tomorrow and take a look again.

One surprising observation from the sales rep was that the car only loses 2-3% range in winter. I don't buy this at all. Does anybody have any idea on how much range is reduced in winter?

The Mitsubishi IMIEV loses half its range at -25 degrees Celsius. The model S may do slightly better. TM said that once the batteries are warmed up, the range is not significantly reduced in winter.

@Stephen

That's what the salesmen said. There was that CBC report on EVs and they quoted a MiEV saying he gets a lot less:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2011/12/22/mb-electric-car-...

A third! That's not good. I'm hoping Tesla is better. But I'd like some data from them. When the car is cold-soaked outside, what's the range loss? That's my question. So if you have to park the car in a mall parking lot for a few hours, what's the loss of range?

the owner's late winter report said it wasn't that bad.

In the Tesla, the battery pack temperature should come up fairly quickly, and once the pack has come up to operating temperature, shouldn't need to expend much energy heating it because just using it generates heat.

It may not be the battery pack temperature that is the primary energy drain. It is very possibly the heater to keep the cabin at a reasonable temperature. Climate control takes a lot of juice.

Also the friction of tires going through snow.

Typically cars lose about 25% of their range (all cars, not just EVs) at 0 F (-18 C). This will be worse if you have to plough through snow but most winter on-road driving is done on packed snow or dry pavement. Colder temperatures reduce range even more. How much an EV loses depends on the temperature maintenance of the battery. If the battery isn't kept warm it will lose a lot more range. I believe that the Leaf has an insulation pack to keep the battery warm in cold weather. The Tesla has a liquid temperature management system so it might do much better.

Battery temperature and heating is not all. We also have to factor in air density. Air can easily be more than 10% denser in winter than in summer because of the temperature. This will impact range more at higher speeds, while heater use impacts range more at lower speeds.

@ keithz,

were you able to get into the car to look at the interior by sitting in?

I went to see Beta #44 in Ottawa.

Exterior looks very nice. Inside? Well it's clearly a Beta.

They mentioned that canadian prices will be made available in July...
I really hope canadian prices will be very close to ones in US.

@pbrulott

Yes. They had the car open. I sat in it.

@WattTheHell

Any idea how much the production standard has changed from the Beta?

I gotta say...for a car with an average selling price around the $80 000 mark with the profit margins that Tesla is claiming, it really hurts their brand to cheap out on the interior like that. I hope the production models are better.

I've sincerely considered putting down for a reservation. But after seeing the interior, I've decided I'll wait.

@keithz, what profit margin is Tesla forecasting for the Model S?

bfadewole, you're suggesting that Tesla has to make some compromises to achieve their industry-leading 25% announced profit margin. I don't think it'll work that way.

I like to believe that the profit comes from the fact that Tesla does things different than other companies in the same industry. They do it the Silicon Valley way. Much leaner, more flexible, more focused. More automation, less jobs in total and a greater percentage of highly qualified jobs. A whole different approach. If it wasn't for this difference, how would you explain that Tesla was able to develop a car that none of the established players was able (I concede: or willing) to develop, at a budget at which none of the established players could have developed *any* car (let alone a revolutionary one like the Model S)?

The other way around, if Tesla doesn't perform on the interior, the Model S won't sell in its proclaimed target market. Which is not just a small slip or a blooper. If the Model S fails, Tesla fails, that's it. Over and out. They know it and therefore they will get it right. They just focused on the really hard things first.

When I mentioned the same concern to a Tesla representative (Stephen Davies, EU Inside Sales Manager), the answer was clear: "We are not targeting the 5-series, A6, E-class build quality. We want to do better than that. We want to come close the the 7-series, A8, S-class kind of build quality." Tesla has never been shy with announcements, but up to date they have delivered on almost all of them ("almost": The announced release date for the Model S slipped by about a year, but that occurred early on so only few people noticed/remember).

@Volker, I always love your logical responses but I was just asking a question to which I did not truly know the answer. I believe you meant to respond to Keithz.....

bfadewole, assuming that you knew the answer, your question looked like a statement to me. The answer to your question has been given by Elon Musk himself:

"I am highly confident that we will deliver at least 20,000 cars next year, and I am highly confident that we will have a gross margin of at least 25%, and — I mean, the emphasis on at least. I think we will do better than those numbers. So, I want to be very clear about that." (Elon Musk, 17-Jan-2012)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/01/17/tesla-musk-sees-20k-mo...


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