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Elon, please make the falcon doors optional!

I want to see Tesla succeed yet I am concerned that forcing a new vision for rear-car access via the falcon doors may turn many buyers off. I love the concept. I see the benefits of the falcon doors. I even like the style of them. But they will not work for many people. Those who want a roof rack, those who have low-ceiling garages, those who are concerned about rain or snow falling into the cabin when opened, etc. There are just too many potential negatives to some demographics. Therefore, if they were optional they would not hinder sales. Yes, I know that engineering an optional traditional door would cost more, however I'm sure the additional sales would more than make up for it. You already have rear doors on the S so I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult to design a traditional door for the X. Even further, allow the option of having just 1 falcon door and 1 traditional door. That would free up some roof space for racks.

Oh yeah forgot picture:

Holy crap, I didn't even think about the roof rack issue. Here in Utah, SUVs are used a lot by weekend warriors who need storage boxes for skis, bike racks on the roof, kayaks on the roof, etc. The falcon wings are a cool concept, but totally kill the versatility of an SUV!

If you look carefully at the demo page on the falcon doors you will notice that there is a second hinge line at the "eave" of the door.
Maybe this could hinge up further so that the roof can remain flat and the side hinges up when roof racks are in place. Won't be alot of head room for getting in and out though.
This would involve difficult geometry and design to do.

I have reserved a X in addition to the S I will receive shortly. I am betting for the removal of the Falcon doors. If not this is a definate no go for my part. Lets hope Tesla reconider and see a larger potentail for the X with normal doors.

March 21, you wrote:
"Being a Norwegian, I have to agree with the comments that are negative to the falcon wing doors. Wisconsin? The furthest north is 50 degrees north. Oslo, our capital is at 60 degrees north. In winter we have 5 hours of daylight per day. The northern Norway is way above the polar circle, having no daylight at all at mid winter. Greenland goes as far south as our capital."

From Wikipedia average January low temp is Oslo is 19F, and for Milwaukee, Wisconsin average January low is 13F. Average yearly snowfall in Oslo is 60 inches and in Milwaukee is 52 inches.

I wonder how many people had bad experience with the falcon doors ?(lol)....(I think the falcon doors are awesome, and give the model x a unique styling, as long they are well engineered there should be no problem )

There may be beta testers out there with such experience, but they're not on this (or any) forum to tell you about it.

how about asymmetric? Falcon on the passenger side for pulling up to a curb. Conventional door (or slider?) on the driver's side for these bad weather contingencies. Roof box/ ski rack could be displaced to the port side as well.

As I posted on another thread, it may be that the doors are double hinged. This could mean that the door could also just swing up from the "gutter" line if a roof rack is in place. However there will be reduced head room.
If you really study the demo page of the falcon doors in action, you will notice that it is double hinged.
However it is not clear what the full range of movement is.
It could all be just a computer trick to make us think it can open with tiny clearances, but that would be dishonest. It is not like Tesla to do that.

There is a double hinge but I doubt it will be able to open all the way from that hinge. Actually, I doubt that hinge at the edge of the roof even opens outward. In he prototype it swings in slightly.

You can all keep hoping they will change the X but I doubt they will.

Cheers!

The roof rack is an intergal part of an SUV. The optional one gull wing door and one sliding door would be able to address the issues concerning the rack and having the availibility of using a sliding door during snow covered times. I don't think it would matter which side the slider would be on vs. the gull wing door as one could just drive the car up to what ever side they wanted to use for their desired purpose.

I totally agree that roof racks are very much at home on an SUV. Unfortunately they also kill mileage (range).

In my Audi A6 there is a stowable ski pocket that allows skis to be put in the truck, and by dropping the rear center rest (you loose the 5th passenger) and unlock the pocket, your skis go into a boot that allows the skis to go through into the back part of the main cabin without exposing the cabin to the snow or water from the ski equipment. It works very well, and your skis are secure too.

The A6 may have conventional doors, but it definitely is NOT designed to have a roof rack.

If skis are the problem, a boot like the Audi uses would solve the problem easily and inexpensively. (make that an option if you want to carry skis.)

+1 on the whole winter weather and roof rack thing. If I had my druthers I'd like suicide doors on both the X and the S. Please no sliding ddors, they are naf and also let in too much snow.

Hi, I am from Hong Kong.
I would like to know whether Falcon doors work well during rainy days.

Suppose the roof is all wet and face uphill.
When the Falcon doors, will the water on the roof be drained into the second row?

Nr.

@Benz here in the US I believe that cars are now required to lock while the car is in motion and can not be opened until the car goes below a certain speed. I do know for a fact that child safety locks are required by US law and would imagine that they would be present on international models which requires a mere physical toggle switch to be turned on prior to shutting the door.

Honestly though we need to see a real world representation of how the falcon wing doors handle snow and rain and to do this we need to wait for the Beta build I imagine as the Alpha is the only x they have currently

My wife and I both love the falcon wing door concept. I owned a DeLorean for a while and love the doors on it as well. We will likely end up getting an X over an S due in no small part to the falcon wing doors.

I think the concerns over roof racks, snow, and ice are not all that significant. I've never in my life used a roof rack, personally. And it would be even less likely with all the cargo space of an X. Here in Missouri, we get several snows each year, and it's not a big deal to clear the snow off the car roof.

Ultimately, I think the added utility and plain awesomeness of the falcon wing doors almost every day of the year is very much worth the two or three days a year when you will run across a scenario where it's a problem.

In the end, I think it will be a net benefit, drawing in more people than it drives away.

Of course the internal ski boot is an excellent solution. I occasionally transport long objects inside my truck, since it is too long for the bed. Another thing to consider is the fact that roof racks make it more difficult to clear off snow. I have never had one, and hope to keep it that way. There several possible options that do not involve replacing the Falcon-wing doors with traditional doors.


I occasionally need to place a piano action in the car, and it is going to be great to have the protection of the open door with nothing in the way, plus the added benefit of essentially stepping into the car to place it without breaking my back or the fragile action. Placing something like that in the car through the trunk or rear door is much more difficult.

Can that be done now, with the S?

Seriously guys, a roof rack? It's an electric car w insane amounts of interior space. I haven't put a roof rack on a car since the back seat(s) started folding down thru to the trunk about 20+ years ago. I go skiing/climbing/camping whatever all the time! Put your stuff in the car. A rack KILLS mileage, in our case range.
And snow? Don't you clear off the snow around the doors before you open them? I seriously don't get it. Give me my falcon wings.
If they are a deal killer for you, that's rough, but it does mean I'll just get my X a little sooner.

I haven't scanned this whole thread, but I had thought this am I wanted to share (motivated by the low ceiling in my garage): please consider the passenger side front door as a solid secondary access/egress path for the rear rows in the Model X. What that would mean is to make any center console between the front seats removable (and mounted without a device that will serve to readily trip young/small/not always the cleverest feet) and that any protrusions down from the ceiling (e.g., video screen) be as minimal as possible (to avoid head-banging).

I haven't scanned this whole thread, but I had thought this am I wanted to share (motivated by the low ceiling in my garage): please consider the passenger side front door as a solid secondary access/egress path for the rear rows in the Model X. What that would mean is to make any center console between the front seats removable (and mounted without a device that will serve to readily trip young/small/not always the cleverest feet) and that any protrusions down from the ceiling (e.g., video screen) be as minimal as possible (to avoid head-banging).

Ceiling? Video screen? It's on the dash. What structure are you imagining?

Elon, Falcon doors do not work at all in the real world, that's OK for sunny California, you have been to Norway. We need normal doors that work's in shitty weather. That is what we have. I'm ready to buy one.

I don't understand all this angst over falcon doors. Seriously. Look at the rear door on the Model S. Is that not the same as a gull wing door? All the falcon wing does is give an extra hinge for improved clearance.

I have had gull wing doors on almost every vehicle I've owned. But instead of installed on the side, they've been on the back. A Prius, a Jeep ... yep, and they work great.

The only difference between a hatchback door and a gull wing door is the placement on the vehicle. It's not new, it's actually solving a problem.

And that roof rack thing ... well there are lots of potential solutions, some mentioned here. A falcon wing door that opens straight out, a double-hinged door (remember those old station wagons) that can open horizontally or vertically, a half rack that disables one door from opening, and surely some I haven't thought of. It's not IF there will be a roof rack (imo), it's which solution they will choose.

In the meantime, I'm set with my GO trailer. :) Because no way I'm gonna ruin range with a roof rack. www.sylvansport.com

When I get my X I will lift its glorious wings to greet the sun at every opportunity. If there is snow, that is my fault for being where snow is.

The number two reason for me to want a Model X are the doors.

I am disgusted by those out-popping-sliding-doors, yuck.

Time for some fresh new wind in the automotive industry.
I really really hope that the Falcon doors will remain standard and not an option.

IF Elon really goes for regular doors or even sliding doors, please Elon, make them an option, not the Falcon doors.

--Kai

I have a reservation for the X, and would happily pay another USD 10,000 to get a version with traditional doors. In Norway,the roof is key to transport skis, ski boxes, etc. The Tesla X with only Falcon doors, materially impairs the funcionality of the vehicle, I am afraid. Hope to hit the mountains in 2015 with the 4-wheel drive X and not having to use the soon-to-be-delivered 2-wheel drive S that I will take delivery of in February 2014!


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