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The first Supercharger in Europe is obviously going to be nearby the Tesla Motors Distribution Center in Tilburg The Netherlands

I don't think that anyone would doubt that.

In order to choose the right locations for the other Superchargers in Europe, the people of Tesla Motors should take the Tilburg Supercharger location as a center point frome where the other locations can be pointed out, on the basis of the desired distance inbetween these Superchargers. What should that (ideal) distance inbetween these European Superchargers be? 150 km, 200 km, 250 km, 300 km? Any idea?

In my opinion a distance of 200 km inbetween Superchargers locations will be just fine.

In The Netherlands it would be good to have in total 5 Superchargers at the following locations:

1. Nearby the Tesla Motors European Distribution Center in Tilburg, The Netherland.

2. Inbetween Alkmaar and Amsterdam (A9).

3. Inbetween Drachten and Groningen (A7).

4. Inbetween Apeldoorn and Deventer (A1).

5. Inbetween Heerlen and Aachen, Germany, (A76).

Tesla Motors is going to open Service Centers in Amsterdam and Apeldoorn later this year.

Does any of the Dutch Tesla enthousiasts have an opinion about these 5 chosen Supercharger locations?

@Benz
I have my doubts with some of your locations.

The distance between Almaar and Amsterdam is not that large and should not need any supercharger. Charging your car at home or work should be sufficiant.

The same goes for the distance Drachten Groningen.

As I suspect that a it is more likely that ther will be a supercharger somewhere in the Arnhem region on the A12 to connect Amsterdam to Germany.

Or in that case somewhere close to Emmeloord(A6)/Zwolle(A28) to connect to west to the North.

But then again these are all guesses.

The 5 chosen Supercharger locations are based on how we can realise the best conveniance for the people. That's what technology is all about, I think.

And where would Mr. Benz live today? Leading by suggestion perhaps? Nice try but I doubt that will influence the geographic decision.

I live about 100 km north of Amsterdam.

The success of the EV depends on how many Superchargers we have along the highways that we drive our EV's on.

"Convenience" is not the issue. Feasible long-distance travel is.

Easily feasible long-distance travel would be much more convenient for the people than only just feasible. If it would be easily feasible then more people will start getting attracted to EV's. Just like people nowadays have the conveniance of very easily being able to find a gas station for petrol for their ICE vehicle. Only when people will be able to get this same convenience with EV's, only then they will be willing to replace their current ICE vehicle for an EV.

Feasibility comes first. Later, maybe, you get "convenient" and "easy". They're not necessary though.

The S is so enjoyable to drive, if a trip is feasible with superchargers, owners will use them.

I guess the Netherlands is so small that having a supercharger ANYWHERE makes no real sense. But if I would have to choose I would say: Near Utrecht (being the center), near any border Tilburg/Breda/Eindhoven for Belgium and Enschede, Winschoten/Groningen, and Maastricht/Heerlen.

As a through-stop on the way between other countries and cities?

Local population will get very poor return on time invested trying to use it for domestic and daily commuting.

@ Brian H

You are correct about: "Feasibility comes first."

But you are also correct about: "Later, maybe, you get "convenient" and "easy"." And that is what I meant. Later, long-term future (2025?).

As a newbie at this forum I am wundering if it is reasonable to expect Tesla to place superchargers 'all over the world' and let us charge for free. How are they going to finance that?

RhoonNL - No need to post the same question in multiple threads. It will get answered. Have patience! ;-)

Superchargers are inexpensive (paid for out of the marketing budget I think) and, if you've seen any info at all about the network, Tesla Motors plans on covering the sites with solar arrays that feed into the grid to help offset the cost of the power.

Oh and it's spelled "wondering".

Beat you to it Brian H! ;-)

Superchargers cost an average of $300,000 each to install, plus maintenance, site rent, and electricity fees. They ain't cheap....

Only if that $300k comes mainly from solar (I have no idea how much that costs). Chargers are cheap power electronics which Tesla already has economics of scale. In Tesla store one charger costs $3600. Even without counting margin 12 of those cost only $43200. Rest of structures are cheap.

I think the solar is entirely Solar City's outlay, as it is deployed where most advantageous, not at every station. The $300K probably includes site acquisition and preparation. The first 100-stn "tranche" of the network in the US was estimated to cost $40 million or less, all in. Peanuts. The marketing value alone is far higher.

Timo,

TM has estimated that it costs them $300-$400K each to install SC's. Plus hundreds of thousands per year each for electricity (the few with solar panels aren't close to enough to keep them running), maintenance, and site rent. There's a lot more to it than just the charger. Besides, a normal home does not have a fraction of the available power required to run a SC.

P_D;
Location of the arrays is irrelevant. Solar City's calculus is across the entire n/w, over the entire year.

Whole SC station with multiple charge points (like five or so) maybe, but single SC definitely less. There just isn't anything to cost there.

Brian said: "The marketing value alone is far higher."

That is a good point. Making long distance driving possible for Tesla Motors EV's is immensely important. Because of these Superchargers the sale of Tesla Motors EV's in the coming years is going to be much higher than without Superchargers.

Choose cities. Tilburg is not a city :-)

+1 for the "marketing value" argument. Myself, I am sold on the idea of my new (lease) car being a Model S (I have one reserved with my lease company, should be driving it this November). I am so excited about the car that I just don't care that it's to big to fit in most our parking lots, and highly impractical without parking sensors and retractable side mirrors, etc. etc. But my wife is obviously more level headed.

And her biggest concern is: will we be able to use it on holidays? And that particular dialog isn't going really well: "Uhh, yeah, sure, if there are enough Supercharger stations in Europe, in the right places, we should be fine..". "And do you know when and where they will put them up?" Silence

Well, tell her that in the mean time you can rent an ICE vehicle for your holiday with the money you save on gas the rest of the year.

I only hope that Tesla takes into account that people do travel with their cars, and won't make superchargers just in the countries they sell the most cars in. To really make a change and make electric cars the future there should be superchargers everywhere. Even the smallest countries in Europe should have 2-3 superchargers if not more. Also going at it with no costs for the consumers, making recharging free might sound good, but the thing I'm more concerned about is that there might be a lack of superchargers. If you charge at least 50% of normal EU electricity price it will still be extremely cheap, while at the same time add some money into making more superchargers. Later then you can make it free.

Lets say there's 5.000 cars in the EU. And let's say that these people charge their cars at the Supercharger stations 4x a month for the price of 2€ per 85kwh, full tank. That's 8€ x 5.000 40000 Eur a month, and if we take 20% away for tax that's 32.000 EUR a month. I don't know how much it costs to make a Supercharger station, but this sure would help creating them. Once you get all the Supercharger stations up and running, you can either set it to free or even send all the money to charity. In any case, with the amount of money we save on fuel, giving 8€ a month to charity this way would make not just the world greener but make the life of people living in this world so much nicer.

If you ask me, Tesla Motors to the World should be what Google is to the Web. Google motto "Don't be evil"... I sure get the same feeling with Tesla Motors. Just don't give out things for free, because everyone else that get's things for free doesn't necessarily live by the same motto.

Oh and forgot to add one more thing. I was talking about Google in the previous post. Most of the money Google makes comes from adds.

Well how about this. While we wait for our car to charge, and we have nothing to do (lets face it there will be at least a couple of times we'll be sitting in the car browsing the web or doing something random while we wait), you add some games, videos, some kind of amusement in the car to fill the time. It doesn't need to be forced, but you could give us that option to select it, or at least then give us a free charge after we've either watched an add or something. I for one wouldn't mind having something popup on my big screen when the car charges if it would make the charge free. It would actually make me more happy then it actually being free for nothing. It would give me the choice, and that would also make me feel better about myself. If it's just free we forget about it, if we do a little thing every time it reminds us. Also if it would help with further development, well heck I'd do it.

You have an awesome technological car, you can update it while it's in the garage. You're aware of its connectivity with the world, but you could do so much more with it. Even when you sell the car you should look at it as a tool you can use to make the world a better place. Just imagine, driving down the road, and the car recognizes you're close to a restaurant, and it has a supercharger there. It can remind you, hey you can charge here and have a great meal for this or that price. While reminding us that we can or should charge you also show a advert for the restaurant and make some money of of it.

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None of that will happen. The existing concept is far simpler, and has the goal of making intercity travel feasible and easy.
All operating and power costs are handled by Solar City, which sells array output under FIT arrangements to make a profit. It is free to MS drivers, forever.

@Brian H; SolarCity is a US company. Operating in the US only (afaik). So how can/will Tesla pay for and/or provide the electricity to allow EU Model S owners to charge for free forever.

Perhaps they will be making deals with local green energy providers. Like the company I take electricity from - Wase Wind - a 100% wind power company.


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