Starting tomorrow (Wed Nov. 28) 10-20" of rain forecast for SF area. Drive carefully!!
Correction, November 28, of course. pic.twitter.com/DcLu0eYM
Brian - remember you can edit you own thread. The 'edit' link is hidden in the Tesla logo.
Doh. Thx! I knew that. Really! <8/
yes, slow down in the rain, be nice, we're just trying to get to work/home.
Speaking of this...how would a Tesla fair through a very deep puddle? I assume the electric motor, battery, etc are waterproof? What if you submerged a Tesla? I have heard that lithium and water can be a dangerous mix. I am sure Tesla engineered a lot of safety here but does anyone have any more info?
Batteries themselves have to be waterproof, otherwise they would die really fast. I think the major problem are connectors that are not waterproof. Car probably kills the connection between battery and rest of the car in case when it detect water in places where there should be none.
I'm not concerned about driving thru deep puddle. I'm more concerned about parking a car while shopping, getting a thunderstorm and noticing that that previously dry parking space is now a foot deep puddle of water, just deep enough that entire battery pack is now underwater. It's rare, but it happens often enough to be real concern.
Actually this a very good thread, resistance to flooding, sea-breeze (salty winds or spray) and hurricanes is very important to a large higher income population here in Florida and other similar coastal areas, remember that there is a huge pool of potential Tesla customers outside of arid California!!! A Tesla engineer should study these issues with the model S and keep them in mind for the design and refinement of all future models, an analysis would include testing and comparison to competitive products both traditional and hybrid (large high end sedan - read as model S - buyers also look at Jaguars, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Saab, Lexus, Infiniti and Cadillacs in the traditional gas power category; Fisker and Porsche Hybrid Panamera in the hybrid category. Some well qualified buyers may very serious concerns about electric vehicles in regards to water hazards here (just like in the cold northern areas concerns about low temperatures impact on battery life and performance), adequate testing and consideration of these operational challenges leads hard data about model S (my guess is that it will compare favourably) and to better than all others performance in future models. This is not just useful for design engineers but also a great sales tool, your average model S buyer will love the great styling and performance, but needs to know that what they are buying can stand as well or better to the elements, not just in California but in the cold and the wet too.
Why do you assume that Tesla engineers have not already studied environmental issues and mitigated appropriately?
Question is the method of mitigation. I would like to know if I can drive my car off that parking lot after it has been soaking in the foot deep pool of water for some time. Or better drive it immediately (if I can open the doors without flooding the interior).
If the water's that deep you may need an outboard (or paddles)! >:|
It's not a joke. It happens often enough to be concern, almost every year somewhere in Finland to someone (and we don't have really heavy rains here), and thinking worldwide that must be thousands of cars every year.
The battery is a sealed unit. The only part I'd worry about is the motor, and even that doesn't concern me much from the factory video.
I can not assume that the engineers did not run tests, but when I asked the Tesla employ the Hollywood service centre, he did not have any hard data other than what was said here (batteries are sealed). My Delorean did not handle a 'puddle' on US1 that did not look like anything but wet pavement that night (no hurricane, just heavy rains) but turned out to be 8 inches deep and hundred yards across and had to get towed out, was not a fun experience at all... Yes it is a real issue and they need to share the data (or at least the results) with the sales force.
Others will be asking.
That the impression I got from the blurred images from the Factory tour.
Our Finnish friend will likely be interested in some solid performance data in the cold too... Finland is by the Arctic Circle.
I can not stand snow and ice and generally stay away when the temperature goes below 65, but if I have to visit NY in the colder months to see relatives or deal with business I would like to know if the vehicle will maintain range and performance when it goes down to 40, 20, 0, -20 degrees. If Tesla tells me that performance and range drops by x amount at y temperture than it will not discourage me from buying the car, but I might not drive it up there in winter with it. I just want to know so I do not get stuck up in the frozen wastelands... hehe
But seriously these are valid questions... especially the flooding question, even some inland areas have flooding problems.
Yep, especially cities and towns and villages built on flood plains. People seem to think the floods that laid down the soil were convenient past events only, and won't happen again. Though I think Duluth and Winnipeg may be slowly cluing in. ];>
Remember that the Model S battery is liquid cooled/warmed, so it has to be sealed.
After reading up on older threads my temperature concerns are largely settled, Tesla learned a lot from the roadster and operating between -20F and 140F will be the same or better that ICE cars. Not sure I would want to drive across the Sahara with a Tesla but anywhere in North America, Asia and Europe I would want to go would not be a problem.
Salt would not be more of a problem than with ICE cars too, likely Model S will be a bit better even...
Still did not see info on flooding... So that is still a valid question.
More info will likely come as more S drivers report back into 2013. Personally I will probably be ready to buy when my heavy duty driver, Mercedes with 250K miles, becomes unreliable, I put on 35K miles on it last year, I drive about 50K miles a year.
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