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Model S -based race car

We have all heard rumors about performance version of Model S with accelerations that rival Roadster.

Well, I saw in autobloggreen Nissan Leaf-based race car (NISMO RC) and found it basically comical (it is way too slow to be such thing), but following discussion brought up a old Subaru Imprezza -conversion that successfully beat its ICE counterparts in racing (http://proev.com/MDetail3.htm). However that Subaru was nowhere close as impressive that even basic Model S is.

So:

I would think that racing version of Model S is more than doable, and it would be great to see it in the track. It would just need a bit more top speed to be really competitive with ICE cars.

I am right there with ya on that. I think the biggest struggle for the EV's is going to be top speed.

I will be happy if Tesla is able to deliver a reliable non-sig Model S with a 160mi battery that will last at least about 100'000mi in Q4 2012 in Europe.
When they have mastered doing that, than and only than will it be the appropriate time to think about play stuff like a super performance sedan or maybe even the awd version some forum members just can't get enough of.
The outside world can of course fantasize all we want, but I hope Tesla focuses on that what matters most: Delivering on the promise of getting cars off the assembly line mid 2012.

I don't think Tesla has its mind on racing in any shape or form. The focus seems to be on Model S full production runs and getting the Model X (SUV/Mini-Van) out the door for 1/2 the price of the Model S. These two cars will make Tesla unstoppable and a world wide leader in the 100% EV market. As they would also be supplying entire power train and electrical systems to at least 3 other major car makers, that makes Tesla so far out in front that 2nd place is so far back you'd need binoculors to see them.

Only then when Telsa completes those objectives and is producing 25,000 - 35,000 cars a year can they branch out and start claiming "bragging rights" across the board.

1st up will be a Roadster Version 3.0. Similar battery pack placements as the Model S/X, lower centre of gravity, new suspension, lighter stronger battery (I'm assuming battery tech will have caught up by then), AWD, etc etc. This will be the 2.9sec 0-60mph super car killer that we all know Tesla is capable of making. Expect to see it in several trims with the top-of-the-line 2.9sec car costing 2x the base model.

They will desperately need to hire a few Indy Car and/or NASCAR and/or Grand Prix racing engineers to get that world class handling that the car will need to be seriously considered. Any idiot can point the car in a straight line and smash the peddle into the floor boards. The key will be taking that car into a tight turn at very high speed. Thus the professional race engineers are required.

The good news is that all of the learnings from this Roadster 3.0 project can be applied to the next generation Model S and Model X, which means VERY fast sport versions and much much better handling.

Still years and years away, but exciting none the less.

After all that, I'd love to see an econo-bucket commuter car for $15k. I don't think they would be able to produce that car fast enough. How about an electric motorcycle?

@Straight Shooter
I hope you think 1/2 price (Model X / Model S) as the development costs, not the actual price to customers. Otherwise you may be in for a rude awakening, as some people were for the $10k steps for more range. Model X will have the same platform as the Model S, no reason for it to be cheaper. It may even be more expensive, as a bigger and arguably more useful car. I do not see any reason for the "coolest SUV" to have cheap interior just to save some $$$

Dear Ad van der Meer,

Ditto. You are exactly right. One quantum leap at a time by Tesla is plenty. I'm puzzled by reservation holders who are already lobbying for a completely different product, when they are still over a year away from getting the car they bargained and waited for. By 2012 I would bet that some people will expect the Model S to be able to sprout wings and achieve geosynchronous orbit.

I'm with you there. I'm just waiting for my Model S and will be quite happy with it!

AvdM;
You're confusing the Model X with the smaller family car which will follow on a different platform. That's projected at <$30K.

No wait Brian... The Model X is the SUV/Crossover which will be developed on the Model S platform.

The Blue Star will be the $30k sedan/coupe that will be made differently.

At least that is what I have read, and been told be a rep... Maybe there new other info but I am pretty certain that is how they are doing it.

Bluestar is the next PLATFORM that Tesla is developing. It will have a lot of what they learned from S in it, but I don't think it'll be based solely off the S chassis.

The model X IS based off of S, so it will likely take less time than Bluestar will to come to market. It'll depend on what Tesla plans to do with X.

It's a lot easier to modify an existing platform, that it is to build a totally new car from scratch.

The common misconception I see here is the same one Chris Paine
made in both his films : that a company (in this case Tesla) is in total control of the development of the electric car. The development of a competitive electric is and always has been
more or less totally dependent upon battery costs. In the bad old days of the lead acid and NiMH, there were overwhelming weight and speed of recharge issues that prevented anything approaching a practical electric, those now mostly laid to rest. Right this minute the sole obstacle is battery prices, as I'm sure we're all aware from the pricing of the Tesla optional battery packs. It's
obvious to me that Tesla has the edge in overall design, but that can change in a heartbeat - Tesla cannot patent the features of their design that make it so efficient. But presumably Tesla will have control of their workforce, and their facilities came pretty cheap. In the end, all things being equal, an automaker's success
comes down to how desirable their cars are to the buying public.
Tesla's biggest advantage here is von Holzhausen in the styling deparment, and apparently some pretty good engineers. And the company's seeming ability to develop vehicles at a fraction of the cost of GM and the other big guys. They also seem way ahead in terms of battery technology/strategies/knowledge. Whether Tesla is successful in the long run will depend to an extent upon their performance and to an extent upon the performance of their competitors. But one thing's for certain in a free market - a company cannot rest upon its laurels. There is forever a new generation entering the marketplace and they look at products, not revered names in making their choices. A company's challenges never end.

@Brian H. No I am not talking about Model X or Bluestar.

Model S #270 Europe

PS. Please people, stop ordering Sig's and don't even think about ordering 300mi batteries. It will only delay the delivery of my car! ;-)

Porche Panamera Turbo + some pack does 0-100km/h (62mph) in 4.0s meaning that in order to be the quickest family car on the road, S should not be slower to 60mph than the normal Roadster.

Before you start flaming, I agree that their main job is to ship the normal S as fast as possible. But the sports S will prove once more (if needed) that Tesla tech is far better than ICE competition.

Right now EV race car from TESLA is quite pointless: lack of competition. Roadster wins most alternative fuel races, drag races against muscle cars and so on.
OK there's a video where Roadster loses drag race against Tango EV. Big deal. How often would you like to see that?
Tesla running Nascar or Indy like races? Against EVs like Nissan RC and Tango (surely will win) or against ICE cars (surely will lose).
Special EV races should be created: range, durability, cross country road trips with fast charging or battery swap and so on. Any suggestions?

@VolkerP, makes sense. Still, EV races seem to be a hot topic recently:
http://green.autoblog.com/2011/05/03/ev-cup-calender-brings-electric-rac...

(No, I have no intention of posting a link to every single article from autobloggreen. It's just that some of them seem to very nicely complement the discussions going on in this forum these days.)


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