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Model S wider than a 7 series?

I just saw the Model S in the Santana row today. While I was very enthusiastic, my wife commented on how the car looks too wide. Indeed, the width of this car is better than a 7 series or an S class. That, and the square edges in the cabin are off putting, at best. Also there seems to be no single sunroof with shade option. I am not sure about the ergonomics of an entirely touch based console. The showroom guy said they are working on adding hard buttons to the steering wheel to control the console... I am unconvinced, somehow. I am used to the superb ergonomics of my TSX and the 3 series (except for the climate controls in the 3) and a finicky touch control has driven me crazy many a times ( in my droid-x, example)

While I love this car for it's unique propulsion, balance, super fast acceleration, and ecological responsibility some details are a little jarring for a car that fancies itself in the company of 5 series, E class, etc.

Why did they have to make the car so damn wide?

From the photograph, it looks like the mirrors are folded in a bit. That should probably the most important aspect. It's only at low speeds that minimal car width is important. They've said nothing about it, but perhaps they fold in at a button push when not needed.

On the other hand if as close to the car as shown in that measurement image, then the car must be narrower behind the mirrors than in front of them.

P.S. I take that all back. I just had another look at the photograph, and what is apparent is the at the mirror level, the car is much narrower than at the wheel level.

I'm willing to bet a small sum that the 77.3" dimension is without mirrors. (Robert.Boston)

You may win that bet after all. A new picture is up on the Specs page that says:
- Width (mirrors extended): 86.1" (2187 mm)
- Width (mirrors folded): 77.3" (1963 mm)
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/specs

(You may have to force your browser to reload the page to see the new image.)

That, in fact, would be a little wider than the largest German sedan, including the 7-series, and in the same ballpark as the widest German SUVs. See numbers mentioned above in this thread.

I get the width issue a bit. I love being able to fit into any parking space with my Saturn. Given the size of the all the other behemoths on the road these days, I don't think the width will be an issue. It's hard to understand how a few inches one way or another would make or break a purchase deicsion: you have to look at the product as a whole.

Red Shift--take a test ride when they become available, then make your decision...

I have a Porsche Panamera S Hybrid and noticed that the exterior dimensions of the Tesla Model S are very similar to the Panamera. I made a table comparing the dimensions. Hopefully HTML table formatting works:

DimensionsTesla Model SPorsche Panamera

Wheelbase116.5 in.114.9 in.
Overall length195.9 in.195.7 in.
Height56.5 in.55.8 in.
Width w/Mirrors86.1 in.83.2 in.
Width wo/Mirrors77.3 in.76 in.
Front Track65.4 in.65.3 in.
Rear Track66.9 in.65.4 in.
Front Legroom42.0 in.41.9 in.
Rear Legroom36.7 in.33.3 in.
Front Headroom39.8 in.38 in.
Rear Headroom36.6 in.38.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room57.6 in.51.9 in.
Rear Shoulder Room55.0 in.51.7 in.
Turning circle37 ft.39 ft.
Rear Luggage capacity66 cu ft.40.7 cu. ft.

I guess the table formatting doesn't work, but you get the idea.

Alex K;
You can use the <pre> tag and use the spacebar (no tabs) to make a table layout.

Dimensions      Tesla Model S  Porsche Panamera
Wheelbase      116.5 in.     114.9 in.
Overall length 195.9 in.     195.7 in.

Alex K;
You can use the <pre> tag and use the spacebar (no tabs) to make a table layout.

Dimensions      Tesla Model S  Porsche Panamera
Wheelbase         116.5 in.     114.9 in.
Overall length    195.9 in.     195.7 in.

Almost:

Dimensions      Tesla Model S  Porsche Panamera
Wheelbase         116.5 in.     114.9 in.
Overall length    195.9 in.     195.7 in.

Too bad that font size and type used with pre-tag is borderlining unreadable.

Testen

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OK you can use h1, h2 etc with pre to make it more readable. The test above is with h1

This is with h2

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This is with h3

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This is with h4

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This is with h5

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This is with h6

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Or not, it looks like using h1 etc puts the line in somewhere else than you think it goes.

double-line h6

testing testing    testing
second line testing

Looks like that one works if you just start the h6-pre combo in new line and don't try to put it after normal text.

Actually, the original "table" served the purpose just fine. Much more so than the 6 posts following it, that did not offer any contribution to the topic at hand.

Why not create a test-test thread and post there until you know how it works?

Too lazy to make new thread I guess. This should look better:

Dimensions            Tesla Model S    Porsche Panamera
Wheelbase             116.5 in.        114.9 in.
Overall length        195.9 in.        195.7 in.
Height                56.5 in.         55.8 in.
Width w/Mirrors       86.1 in.         83.2 in.
Width wo/Mirrors      77.3 in.         76 in.
Front Track           65.4 in.         65.3 in.
Rear Track            66.9 in.         65.4 in.
Front Legroom         42.0 in.         41.9 in.
Rear Legroom          36.7 in.         33.3 in.
Front Headroom        39.8 in.         38 in.
Rear Headroom         36.6 in.         38.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room   57.6 in.         51.9 in.
Rear Shoulder Room    55.0 in.         51.7 in.
Turning circle        37 ft.           39 ft.
Rear Luggage capacity 66 cu ft.        40.7 cu. ft.

Timo;
Perfect! You da master table-maker.

Wow, over 3 inches wider than a Panamera! Wow!

Under 3", actually. 2.9".

I found that it is actually wrong to compare the Model S to family sedans. It should be compared to four-door sport coupes. In that league, it isn't far off base with its dimensions:

         Height x Width incl. mirrors x Length in mm
Model S:               1435 x 2189 x 4978 (widest)
Aston Martin Rapide:   1360 x 2140 x 5019 (lowest)
Audi A7:               1420 x 2139 x 4969
Porsche Panamera:      1418 x 2114 x 4970 
BMW 6 Gran Coupe:      1392 x 2081 x 5007
Mercedes CLS:          1416 x 2075 x 4940 (shortest)
Maserati Quattroporte: 1438 x 1991 x 5097 (longest, highest, smallest)

(ordered by width, all data directly from the respective manufacturer's own website, all widths explicitly incl. mirrors)

And I did find a very popular car that is quite a bit wider than the Model S and yet seems to fit in out communal garage (so I should be fine, too): The Volkswagen Multivan at 1970 x 2283 x 4892 ;-)

Turning circle ain't so bad for such a large car!

Guess I have to live with it. On long journeys (thanks for the supercharges, Tesla) me and my family will appreciate the extra space every bit.

VB;
The van has the advantage of sliding doors, I assume, so ingress and egress might still be an issue.

Any theories on why the mirrors stick out so much? All I can think of is maybe to let air through between, my SUV is wider in the body, but has narrower mirrors so the s is overall wider.

All I can think of is maybe to let air through between (Michael23)

As far as I can tell, that's exactly the reason. Ideally, the mirror would be a completely separate, tear drop-shaped object, and what they've done on the Model S mirrors is a close as it gets. You'll notice a very similar design on recent BMW's and MB's, with the mirror separated from the body and only held by a relatively low-profile tentacle.

the width of the car incl mirrors is my biggest concern for Europe

(I do hope they fold automatically when they get here)

these are my Jaguar XF dimensions:

Overall width with mirrors folded (mm) 1,939
Overall width including mirrors (mm) 2,077

S:
2.195 (plus 2.5 cm)
1.970 (plus 1 cm)

correct?

Update to my above post:

         Height x Width incl. mirrors x Length in mm
Model S:               1435 x 2189 x 4978 (widest)
Aston Martin Rapide:   1360 x 2140 x 5019 (lowest)
Audi A7:               1420 x 2139 x 4969
Porsche Panamera:      1418 x 2114 x 4970 
BMW 6 Gran Coupe:      1392 x 2081 x 5007
Jaguar XF:             1460 x 2077 x 4961 (tallest)
Mercedes CLS:          1416 x 2075 x 4940 (shortest)
Maserati Quattroporte: 1438 x 1991 x 5097 (longest, smallest)

(ordered by width, all data directly from the respective manufacturer's own website, all widths explicitly incl. mirrors)

A standard US garage door is 96" wide, less 1" for trim is 95". My current car (a toyota sienna, soon to be replaced by my Model S) is WIDER with mirrors extended than the stated width of the Model S- and I can park it just fine. Door dings are maybe the only issue. But I like that three people can really sit in the back comfortably, which hasn't been the case in any car I have driven since the 70s...

I'm really excited about the prospect of getting a Tesla, but the large width does give me pause. I currently drive a relatively small car (Lexus SC430) and with tight parking spaces in Hawaii size is sometimes a problem. We also have a Toyota Camry hybrid, which according to specs is 71.70". Can it really be, with mirrors extended, that the Tesla is a full 14.5" larger at 86.2"?

@Michael23 - I assume the larger mirrors are partly to make up for the poor visibility out the rear window.

You have to be very careful about widths. Most of the time car widths mentioned are the mirrors folded widths. Your Camry is 71.7" with mirrors folded, which compares to the 77.3" mirrors folded width of the Model S, so the S is 5.6" wider.


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