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The Price of Electricity as more people buy EVs

This is probably a problem that would be many many years down the road as EVs on the road inch up into a big market share over ICEs, but as more people drive EV isnt that going to dramatically raise the price per kwh of the electricity we put into them?

As demand for electricity gets higher, the price rises of course and eventually will bring us right back to a comparable price as gasoline is now. And as the demand for GAS lowers considerably, the price will also lower and will again stall the adoption of electric.

What a vicious cycle.

Just wanted anyone else's thoughts on the subject.

@Oildeath Costs are VERY important... The economy AND ecology favours harnessing hydro where ever there is still untapped potential left, then using wind where it is strong enough (looking at the wind maps and the band of high potential along the foot of the Rockies I would say that hitting 20% would not be a problem with grid improvements). Yet idealism does not pay the bills, although I generally oppose burning of fossil fuels when it can be economically avoided, we still need low cost natural gas plants to balance out variablity and for the wind poor SE states. Coal is dirty but low costs means it is not going away anytime soon.

PV solar has a lot of potential but have to wait till around 2020 or so for it to become cost effective in a wider area, when that happens you will see coal plants getting phased out in high solar potential areas.

@Brian H, how exactly pressure creates heat? Please tell us. Then answer this "Why isn't bottom of the ocean boiling hot?".

It doesn't create heat. If you were (this time) to read and comprehend the actual words, I said it raises temperature. If every molecule has a fixed kinetic (thermal) energy, which thermometer shows a higher reading: one with X impacts from molecules per second, or one with 100X? The difference is that gases are compressible, and water is not, so the impacts per sq." at the bottom of the sea are not affected by pressure.

As you say, it doesn't create heat. So where does that heat come from if not from Sun? 100x times thicker atmosphere can absorb a lot more heat than our atmosphere can, and Venus is much closer to Sun. It is greenhouse-effect that keeps it inferno.

Im sorry, but I stopped reading after this thread became an argument about whether Global Warming is real or not, or whatever.

My question is, "Is anyone debating the topic anymore?"

@FLsportscarenth unfortunately, at least in Australia, wind farms have a very vocal opposition, with people claiming that living near a wind farm causes all sorts of health issues.

As a result, the Victorian government has put in place restrictive planning requirements for new wind farms.

http://ramblingsdc.net/Australia/WindVic.html#Victorian_wind_power_laws
http://www.dpcd.vic.gov.au/planning/planningapplications/moreinformation...

Also see:

https://twitter.com/GregMLC/status/310192055139848193
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/3/12/climate/baseload-v...

@penguin_brian

Poor Oz... Government does not want to encourage you to buy EVs, silly protestors do not want clean energy... All they want is to tax the crap out of you...

Friendly people, beautiful place, brain-dead management...

Hell, Oz is still getting video games censored to the nth degree. I think a major shift is needed in gov't sooner rather than later.

In Northern California, PG&E, the utility co., has an "electric car rate" of 4cents/kwh available from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m.! Perhaps other utilities will adopt this pro-EV posture. They should. In the long run, these cars are good for everyone and should be promoted and encouraged in every way possible.

In Northern California, PG&E, the utility co., has an "electric car rate" of 4cents/kwh available from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m.! Perhaps other utilities will adopt this pro-EV posture. They should. In the long run, these cars are good for everyone and should be promoted and encouraged in every way possible.

I saw a webinar yesterday and the guy said if 10 to 15% of autos in British Columbia were electric, i.e., 280,000 to 420,000 cars, we would save 1.5 billion dollars per year on oil costs, and would be keeping those dollars in BC, because of locally produced hydroelectricity.

The supply of electricity should be sufficient, particularly with the load being primarily at night, plus the advent of solar charging at work and at Superchargers. As the last post mentioned, the economic and energy independence benefits of domestic power are huge.

I have heard that there is a potential issue with transformer capacity in the last few miles of distribution if there are "too many" EVs on your block, but that won't happen immediately and can be planned for. Might be an argument for slower charge rates at home if the time is available.

There is plenty of unused nighttime capacity for EVs. Power stations do not "go to sleep".


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