With the kind of speed the Model S has, does anyone have experience in adding a Radar Detector? Does Tesla have an option to integrate into 17 inch monitor?
Thanks again and yes, pictures of the setup would be awesome!
Sure - there's unfortunately no way to post photos in this forum, so I'm happy to email them upon request. I think this forum lets me see your email addresses, so I'll send them over to you two.
Oh well, it doesn't show me your email addresses after all. Just send me an email and I'll reply with the photos. My email is firstname.lastname@example.org
$2900! That's nearly 2x the cost of the 9500c itself.
@branden - just post the pictures to flickr or imageshack.us and use the <img embed code
Yes, works fine:
It takes them about 6 hours to get it done, and they do the install with a level of care and attention to detail unlike anything you've seen, so yeah it's a bit expensive.
The front sensors go in the front grill, barely visible. The rear sensor goes above the license plate.
There is a nicely accessible USB port for programming the 9500c inside the left access panel on the dash.
Power for the system is fuse tapped off the switched 12v coming off the Frunk's fuse panel. Nice looking install.
And finally, the display and control units are nicely hidden under the touchscreen inside the cabin. Doesn't obscure the stashing of sunglasses in the cubby, and is well enough hidden so as not to be a distraction from the car's craftsmanship.
Yeah @Brian, posting images to the forums works GREAT. *rolls eyes*
It helps if you know enough to include width="xxxpixels" height="yyypixels" .
Check the syntax; what goes between the quotes is a number.
For safe driving I highly recommend you the Escort Passport 9500ix Radar/Laser Detector (Blue Display). Escort is one of the best radar detector as of 2012.
I saw this real nicely installed concealed Escort installation a while ago in a Porsche Panamera at www.AfterFXCustoms.com but can't seem to locate it on their website any more.
Did I hear correctly the radar detector has trouble detecting through the windshield?
I decided to contact a Tesla service center to see if they would install a high end radar detector or recommend someone they trust to do an install locally. I was informed that this has become a semi-frequent request. They are waiting for engineering to have some free time (not sure that will ever happen!) and then they are going to take a serious look at the best solution for radar detectors. They told me not to have someone install it since even they are working with the 12v system and figuring out the best way to incorporate 3rd party equipment in general (not specifically radar detectors). I know a few people have done installs, but if you are outside of California (where it sounds like a few installers know what they are doing) then I would steer clear. I got the impression (not explicitly told) that Tesla is not going to support any damage claims if something goes wrong.
This puzzles me, people are really asking Tesla to cooperate in installing radar detectors to break laws? Why on earth would they even consider doing anything like that? That's like asking Tesla to install hidden compartments to car so that you could smuggle drugs more easily. Same category thing.
@Timo | DECEMBER 13, 2012: This puzzles me, people are really asking Tesla to cooperate in installing radar detectors to break laws?
Radar detectors are not illegal in most US states.
Why not? That's is even more puzzling. Only usage for those that I can think of is trying to avoid speed tickets, and that implies attempt to break laws.
It's the American way of life Timo :P
"Why we gonna do that?" "For the good old American Way. For the money, for the glory and for the fun.......... mostly for the money" Paraphrased from Smokey and The Bandit :)
There have been (and still are) lots of laws that are stupid and ought to be broken. There are many, many places where speed limits are set artificially low for the sole purpose of shaking down drivers for revenue. The vast majority of speeding tickets are issued to people who are driving in a perfectly safe and reasonable manner for traffic conditions.
@Timo: I use my radar detectors as a backup against overly zealous radar traps. For example, there is a 45->30 speed change in one area. I always slow down, but they setup the radar van _right_ at the change point. You pretty much have to be at 30mph _before_ you get to the change to avoid getting nailed.
Now, like most people, I let up on the throttle and slow down gradually as I hit that change, which is perfectly safe, but not sufficient to avoid the radar van. With the detector, it'll go off and help me slow down early for all those spots that have such traps.
Most tickets are issued in these bogus traps.
@Timo - Comparing a radar detector to illegal drugs is quite the stretch IMO. What about cigarettes being illegal to underage minors? Should every store not sell them because they are illegal to some or could potentially lead to something illegal? Perhaps an adult is passing those onto a minor. Should a gun shop owner not sell guns because they may be illegal in one state and not another? On top of that, should a gun shop owner be held liable because somebody decides to go and use the gun to kill somebody or commit an illegal act? I can get a radar detector installed by several different audio shops, so should they not install them because they are illegal somewhere or could be used to speed? It isn't up to Tesla to decide what I use the detector for anymore than it is their job to limit my speed to 60 because that is the fastest speed limit in my State. I am breaking the law when I drive over that speed on the freeway. They designed a car that I can use to break that law. The insane acceleration in this car could potentially kill someone in a car accident. It is illegal to drive recklessly. Should Tesla limit the acceleration? I am asking them to provide a service that I could get locally if I was willing to take the risk of someone messing up my car.
Sorry, not trying to upset you and this isn't intended to put you on the defensive. I am just trying to help you understand how I see things and that from MY perspective Tesla isn't being asked to do anything outside of providing a service. How or why I decide to use a radar detector is entirely up to me and unknown to Tesla.
I was going to reply to Timo about this as well but you all did a splendid job. I am also looking to put a Radar Detector in my Model S at some point.
Actually, getting a radar warning is probably the most effective way to slow down traffic, even if only for a while. It'll all be obsolete soon anyway; all cars will be GPS tracked, and you'll get your tickets and license suspensions in the mail -- maybe in your email!
I believe I remember reading that the founding laws for the FCC specifically gave citizens the right to access any frequency. This is why there are police scanners as well as radar detectors. There are laws that prohibit passing along what you hear on a police scanner to another party. (tough to enforce)
Timo, I like your idea of hidden compartments in the car. Maybe under the center piece?
@Timo - Comparing a radar detector to illegal drugs is quite the stretch IMO. What about cigarettes being illegal to underage minors? Should every store not sell them because they are illegal to some or could potentially lead to something illegal? Perhaps an adult is passing those onto a minor. Should a gun shop owner not sell guns because they may be illegal in one state and not another? On top of that, should a gun shop owner be held liable because somebody decides to go and use the gun to kill somebody or commit an illegal act? I can get a radar detector installed by several different audio shops, so should they not install them because they are illegal somewhere or could be used to speed?
- What about cigarettes to minors? You are not selling them to minors, right? If adult is passing them to minor, it's that adult that is responsible then, not the shop anymore. Correct analogy to this using kids with cigarettes would be someone selling them to kids legally "it's not our fault if kids smoke the cigarettes we just sold to them".
- Guns? If the sole purpose of the gun is to kill someone I would say they should be illegal everywhere for everybody in entire planet except law enforcement and military (who are expected to face criminal threats that can't be solved without). Guns designed for hunting are OK with permits and follow-ups.
You really don't see anything wrong in the system? If there are speed traps and "artificially too slow" roads designed to give people tickets, then it would be appropriate to fix those speed limits, not to get radar detectors so that you could dismiss them as irrelevant suggestions.
I got an impression that somehow cops get money from speed tickets in US? ...sole purpose of shaking down drivers for revenue... Is that right? Then fix that. No money to cops from that. That's a flaw in the system.
@ckessel, going from 45 to 30mph at the change should be done before the sign. If everybody does it after, then everybody is doing it wrong.
Problems come when there are places where normal slowdown isn't enough: there was one such place in one of the roads here, long, quite steep downhill with sudden change from 100km/h directly to 60km/h at the near end of the hill but still at the hill with speed camera right after that. Solution was to fix the road speed limit. Not to get radar detector.
I have the 9500ci on my FX50 and love it. The first month is annoying due to false alarms but it has memory on it to remember those locations after driving through them a couple times. It also notifies you of traffic cameras which in city driving is priceless. I am planning to put on in my Model S when it arrives. I had a shop in Huntington Beach on Beach Blvd. install mine, they did an awesome job. Cost about $2k out the door.
Then fix that.
Easily said. Personally, I'd prefer to just find a way to effectively circumvent it (e.g., use a radar detector or an app like Trapster) than spend my time on an effort that is extremely likely to be a complete waste of time.
Paraphrasing Elon from his Oxford speech, first you have to do an assessment of the situation and determine if success is even possible. In this case, it is my judgement that it is not.
@mrspaghetti, should I take this as "yes, your impression was correct"?
I mean if it is then you have serious nationwide problem that most definitely is worth fixing. It practically invites cops to get dirty. And in process gets you dirty as well (by introducing a moral "right" to break laws). It's real error in system.
just finished 9500ci install. It took some doing. The wife was concerned that I was destroying the car--disassembly. It really is not possible to totally hide the front shifters but they look pretty cool. The radar unit installed easily behing the nose cone--just to the right of center and lic plate. I had to add a perf through the firewall but it went well. There is a lot of room to work in there. Not for the inexperienced. The rear shifter was more challenging with the hatchback. This car is a ticket waiting to happen. I have the car for the past month as the daily driver--I am still a bit speechless.
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