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Tesla S selected as car for High School Raffle

The Parent Association at Garfield High School in Seattle chose the Tesla S sedan for the car to raffle to raise money for programs to improve academic achievement. Educating students is an expression of hope and optimism about the future and the Tesla represents that future. For information about raffle tickets for the March 1 drawing contact phil-sherburne@msn.com.

I and 2 friends bought tickets from long Island. Good cause! Decent odds (comparably)

I wonder if that sale is allowed.

Hard to believe they have not sold all the tickets already! All the lottery players in the U.S. should jump on this! I have a Model S P85, but would be willing to cough up $100 for a worthy cause! Where's the website info? How do we know this is not a scam (no offense to Phil)?

WA law may restrict out of state raffle sales by net and mail. Not sure.

"tjimtjim@gmail.com | JANUARY 28, 2013
How do we know this is not a scam (no offense to Phil)?

1) I checked local news reports and their leaf raffle was reported on several independent web sites.

2) Local residents are familiar with the school.

After this little bit of research I felt comfortable spending $100 on the ticket but have not received it yet… maybe today in the mail? As you know from the above posts, others have sent in and received their tickets already.

I can assure you, this raffle is legitimate. The PTSA had a successful Leaf raffle last year, and I have met the people involved. They are all dedicated to the school and its students, and doing the best they can to raise money for vital school programs. Many of these programs were cut in the recent budget crunch.

If you are outside of the state of Washington, however, you might wait to participate until we have a better understanding of the legal requirements. I believe the PTSA does have a license for this raffle, and I know of nothing in the state statutes or regulations that precludes what they are doing. But I recommend you wait to hear from Phil before sending any checks.

I emailed Phil (am in California) and he indicated there is no problem with being out of state.

After all the interest and support through the forum I am chagrined to have to tell you that following a full review of the regulations and rulings on raffles we have concluded that we cannot sell tickets to out of State residents. If you are from Washington please continue to contact me and we can sell tickets. I will be contacting directly those persons from out of state who have already bought tickets. Sorry for the confusion. Phil

Dang. Thought so.

Brian, you can always buy a ticket in person. Vancouver is not so far from Seattle!

ERGG.. :( Why did you guys have to bring that up! I was going to buy a couple, So mad now!!

As a software guy I'm probably way off base. But can I give a friend in Washington state power of attorney to purchase a ticket for me?

We're from the government and we're here to help. I guess the point of this Washington regulation is to limit the ability of criminals to commit fraud. Of course, it has the effect of also limiting the amount of money good charities can raise. But that's OK, because the politicians have Done Something.

I got a ticket and am local so I'm planning to show up. Would love to post on reddit, "Cancelled reservation for the low end Model S, won the high end one in a raffle".

@dtesla

It's not a state regulation, it's federal: 18 USC 1301. I don't know of anything that would stop you from buying the ticket in person. If your friend bought it in person, and the ticket won, you could come to Washington and he could give you the ticket. You just can't take the ticket (or the money) across state lines.

At least that's how I understand it. But don't rely on me. Get your own lawyer.

phil are you going to mail back the out of state checks?

as Phil emailed me, he said the ticket could be gifted from a friend in Washington, I would like to think that would be okay. I don't know but I would stop raising concerns and just buy a ticket and cross your fingers!

The relevant statutes are 18 USC §1301 and §1302. Section 1302, in essence, prohibits using the mails to buy or sell lottery tickets (raffles are considered lotteries). This prohibition applies even if the buyer and seller are in the same state. The section does not, however, prohibit using a private courier service such as UPS or FedEx.

The section also purports to prohibit using the mails to advertise or convey other information about the lottery. However, pursuant to 18 USC §1307(a)(2)(A), this prohibition does not apply to an authorized lottery conducted by a not-for-profit organization. Moreover, the Attorney General has announced that this prohibition is unenforceable as a result of a Supreme Court decision relating to commercial free speech. In other words, truthful, factual communications concerning otherwise lawful lotteries are protected by the First Amendment.

Section 1301, in essence, prohibits anyone from importing, transporting, or carrying lottery tickets in interstate or foreign commerce, whether personally, by mail or by private courier. It also prohibits interstate advertising or information about the lottery, but that prohibition does not apply for the reasons stated above. Finally, it prohibits certain activities by someone engaged in the business of procuring, for a person in one state, a ticket for a lottery conducted by another state.

These statutes do not prohibit the purchase or sale of raffle tickets on a face-to-face basis, even if the purchaser resides outside of Washington State. They do not prohibit the purchase or sale of raffle tickets using private courier services, so long as the transaction takes place within Washington. They do not prohibit a person in Washington from buying a ticket on behalf of an out-of-state friend, so long as the ticket is not transported out of state (and the procurer probably should not be in the business of buying tickets for others, although technically that provision applies only with respect to state-run lotteries).

If a friend is going to buy a ticket on your behalf, I would recommend that your name and address, not his or hers, be used for the drawing. I believe that the prize will go to the person whose name is on the winning ticket, and not simply to the person who is holding the ticket. Of course, in order to avoid confusion and disputes, it should be a friend you trust. But there is no reason you need to take possession of the ticket until you come to the State of Washington to claim your prize.

Please understand that I do not speak for Phil Sherburne or the Garfield High School PTSA. I am not affiliated with the PTSA, and these are my opinions alone. I also am not providing legal advice, and my views should not be relied on as such. You should see your own lawyer if you want advice. I simply want to point out and explain what I believe to be the relevant federal laws.

The potential legal aspects of this issue are getting more attention than they probably deserve. This is a small scale raffle to suppport programs at a inner city public high school. None of the people involved in the raffle are benefitting from it in any way. We are parents who are donating our time. The statutes aren't trying to get at these types of activites and no prosecutor, in my opinion, would waste his or her time with such a raffle. If we took the strictest interpretation of all the rules out there you couldn't practically do a raffle of this kind. We are trying to be faithful to the intent of the regulations but are not going to be obsessive about every detail. We are not going to worry about the people who have already purchased tickets--that is water under the bridge. If any of those people want their payment for tickets back we are more than happy to refund them. If they want to leave the tickets in the raffle they will be honored the same as any other ticket.

Going forward if someone from out of state wants to purchase a ticket they would need to be in the state to do the transaction or have someone in state purchase the ticket for them. The person who is intended to get the prize if the ticket is drawn should have their name on the ticket. There may be problems transferring a winning ticket after the raffle.

This is a great raffle with an amazing prize and the funds are supporting very important programs at our school. Phil

Phil:

Keep me in the raffle. Thanks.

How are ticket sales coming--I heard you were canvassing Starbuck's headquarters today. Do you still have tickets left?

@Epley

I can answer some of that. Phil doesn't visit this site that frequently. I spend a couple of hours today down at Starbuck's offices selling tickets and showing my car. Lots of interest.

I think tickets are selling well. Phil told me that they have passed the 1,000 mark, so the raffle is definitely a go. But yes, they do have tickets left. There will be another event Monday evening, but I forget where. I'll ask Phil and post back here. Or, you could just email him at phil-sherburne@msn.com.

For those who don't want to read the whole thread, this is a brand new Model S, Metallic Blue, 85 kWh battery, sun roof, Tech package, Active Air suspension, leather seats. Tickets are $100 apiece, with a maximum of 1650 tickets being sold. The money goes to the Garfield High School PTSA for support of the school's achievement program and other school programs. Garfield is a great public high school, but it has been hurt by budget cuts, and this is an innovative way to raise some money for needed programs. Raffle tickets cannot be sent out of Washington state, but in-person purchases can be made by or on behalf of an out-of-state resident.

I was told by a Tesla rep yesterday that the car is actually built and sitting in a warehouse in Seattle.

We will be setting up a booth to sell raffle tickets on Monday, Feb. 11, from about 4:00 p.m. to about 7:00 p.m. in front of the West Seattle PCC, 2749 California Ave. SW in Seattle. I will show my my Pearl White Performance to potential ticket purchasers.

There will also be another sales effort on Wednesday, Feb. 13, between 11:30-1:30 at Harrison & Terry in South Lake Union. This will be in front of Cal's Restaurant and near the Amazon offices. A friend will be showing his Red Signature Performance.

This will be a opportunity to pick up a raffle ticket for a chance to win a great car and to support a worthy cause. Cash, checks, and credit cards accepted.

Sell spins around the block for $101, with the ticket as a bonus!

I actually did offer to give a ride to anyone who bought a ticket, but nobody took me up on it. :)

See, that was your mistake. Sell the ride, and give the ticket as a bonus‼ (;p

We made the news today, oh boy!

http://www.king5.com/news/Tesla-being-raffled-to-raise-funds-for-Garfiel...

Tickets are going fast. Get 'em while they're hot!

If you (or a friend or relative) live in Washington. No others need apply.

Brian you lie! Heck, I'll buy a ticket for anybody who wants one. Just send me a check (use a carrier other than the U.S. mail), along with your name, address, email address, and telephone number. I'll hold the ticket, and if you win, you can come pick up the ticket and the car. You can contact me via the same username over at TMC.

Or you can email phil-sherburne@msn.com, who will do the same thing.

Phil I am staying in even though I am out of town!


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