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Collision Avoidance?

So I did my test drive, and I loved the car.

HOWEVER, I have 2 Chevy Volts and they have collision avoidance, and really don't want to live without Collision avoidance. Has anyone heard a rumor of when that will be incorporated into the car?

When I am tired its a life saver ( I am frequently very jetlagged), Also when I do anything on a touch screen, its nice to have the car looking out for me. I drive through Manhattan on the way to work. I need all the help I can get.

Also, the front lacks a bumper. Anyone had any experience with parallel parking? When the guy infront of you parks by Braille, are you headed to the body shop?

Cheers
Andrew

The Model S is notably lacking in most of the accident-avoidance "nanny" technologies offered by its peers. No blind-spot sensors, no "active" cruise control, no lane-departure warning, etc. etc. TMC would be the one to explain why they don't offer these systems, but it may be as simple as a company with a full plate that has to prioritize its additions to the Model S.

The company has announced plans for a semi-autonomous car on a very aggressive timeline, something like three years, and all of the missing technologies and more would be needed to meet that goal. So, we may well see some or all of the missing technologies made available in the next few years.

aweingram@gmail.com - if you are tired you have no business to be on the road. With or without any pseudo helpers you need to be in full control of your car at all time - no excuses. Get a taxi, limo or have a driver.

Kleist. +1

Buy a Volvo Tesla is not for you, I miss the blind spot safety but is not a reason not to buy the car I like.

I added Mobileye to mine. Love it. Also gives me automatic high beam headlights etc.

@aweingram I fully agree with Kleist. You are putting others at risk whenever you get behind the wheel in that condition. It is worse, statistically, than drunk driving. Assist or not! I am glad you are on the other side of the country from me. Think again!

@studiojon
How much did the installation cost? It is not just about being tired. We all look at the touch screen to check nav, change radio settings, etc., and cover a lot of ground when our eyes aren't on the road. Having technology backup just makes things safer. I really miss the added security that technology offered in my Jeep.

I think a bit over $2k installed. Mobileye is the same technology that the OEM manufacturers use. Almost all of them license from this company. It integrates well and I am very happy with it.

The seat will be equipped with AI (Auto-Injection): When the WEDM (Windshield Eye Detect Monitor) notices your eye lids starting to droop, a precise amount of caffeine is intravenously injected in your rump (C triple IP). As to eye swerve, the ESD (Detector) puts all nanny functions on full alert until FEP (Forward Eye Placement) is redetermined. Of course you could just wait until the Google self driving car apparatus is made available to the MS but then that would simply suck all the fun out of it.

I'll answer the OP's actual question, because someone has to do it ;-)

A long while ago, someone made a video of the Model S's diagnostics screens. That video shows new car configurations, among other things, for:
* blind spot detection
* adaptive cruise
* lane departure warning

So yes, Tesla is working on that, but I think dphillip1's assessment is correct: the company has to prioritize as it balances between actually delivering cars and at the same time trying to keep up with Elon Musk's seemingly endless flow of ideas.

http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-hidden-menus-reveal-possible...

Thanks for stepping up chrisdl. It's a dirty job . . .

Kleist,

Its not that I get in a car and start driving knowing that I am fatigued. its just that fatigue comes on suddenly and unexpectedly.

I am an airline pilot. I may fly large jets as much as 420 degrees of longitude in a 7 day period (Yes that is one and a quarter times around the planet) combined with shift changes and odd hours.

I know a lot more about fatigue than any of you (In our training we get long classes and seminars on it, as required by the FAA, of course the real cure, not flying us as much would never be permitted, after all everyone "Knows" airline pilots are already over paid and under worked) Furthermore, I can be called out from dead sleep to be on the way to the airport in 20 minutes.

Even when you THINK you aren't fatigued, you can be. interestingly one of the warnings that works very well for detecting unnoticed fatigue BEFORE you feel it is the lane departure. You just casually bump a stripe or two get an unexpected beep beep, time to stop....

But the touch screens in the car make collision avoidance MANDATORY because that has nothing to do with fatigue. That's eyes not on the road....

There are safety items that you simply should not be without anymore, No one is going to argue seatbelts. Most people agree about anti-lock brakes, some people will say traction/stability control, and I would say collision avoidance.

Anyone who tells you they have never looked away from the road for even a second is quite simply lying to you. I don't care whether you grabbed your coffee cup, answered you phone, dialed a number, or looked at the nav system, or altered the climate control, or sneezed. EVERYONE LOOKS AWAY, many times a drive. And collision avoidance should be mandatory, especially in a 100 thousand dollar car...

I had never heard of Mobi eye. Will look into that.

My other question about parallel parking, I see no one has answered, I guess I will have to start a new thread on that topic.

Cheers
Andrew

StudioJon,

YOU ROCK! (Others on this thread, not so much)

Thanks for the info on that. I now know what my standard gift to many people will be...

MOBI EYE (Making Tesla's possible for everyone )

Cheers
Andrew

AAviator, Andrew:
That's Mobileye (with an L). This their site, fyi: http://www.mobileye.com/

studiojon:
And yes, studiojon, I'm very interested in your experiences with the Mobileye.
How does it integrate with the Model S? (e.g. for turning on the high beams)
Where is the sensor installed?
How is it powered?
And how well do the different features work? (are they all perfect or are there some issues?)

I realize that you may not know all of that since you had it installed (as you probably should), but I'd still like to learn whatever you know.

Also you might check out the Gosher blind spot warning system.

http://www.goshers.com/

Andrew,

+1 and thanks for bringing up this thread. I learned of two after market solutions to features I'd greatly enjoy as options for the Model S. You're also 100% correct about how fatigue can affect the human body. In addition to fatigue as described by you, there's also attention span where studies have shown after short durations humans lose the ability to maintain focus on a task. If that task is keeping a 2+ ton car moving 65mph in a lane then you should have all the help you can get! I wouldn't want a MS slamming into the back of me for sure! Again thanks for starting the thread. I hope the collision avoidance becomes a standard feature...

Dear forum members. We all love our cars but please try to maintain some level of objectivity when legitimate criticisms and concerns are raised. Some of you rush to the defense of MS as if you're getting paid! Others stop trying to lecture people on safety as well! We are all adults, human and fallible...

Having said all that, one of the Model S alternative vehicles I test drove before my final decision was an Audi S7 and it have similar features to what Andrew is talking about. In fact some of the features included with Model S competitors technology packages put it to shame when you consider the price range. Instantaneous torque and hundreds of miles of EV range still makes Model S my preference however I hope the folks at Tesla get these kinds of features into future vehicles and if at all possible as a retrofit. I can guarantee you one customer for sure...;)

-Me

Right, this forum is lightly moderated, if at all, and keep in mind that slagging someone for asking a fair question isn't really helpful.

Tesla may be adding "nanny" systems in the future - who knows what goes on in Elon Musk's secret laboratory deep under Mount Diablo? - but there's a problem for current owners, or near-term buyers. "Nanny" systems usually require sensors or other hardware, not just code, and so adding those systems post-production could be costly and difficult. It *might* be possible to add a "hey-dummy-wake-up" function by code updates alone, though:

http://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/technology-aimed-at-helping-drowsy-dri...

I could go for that. About all it takes for me is a solid lunch and then the sun shining through the windshield.

My car has a collision avoidance system. It is referred to as the DRIVER.

Dlewis and how many collisions a year do drivers cause?

With all the logistic capabilities that airlines obviously have, in order to make sure that planes are where they need to be when they need to be there, you'd think they'd be able to arrange things so that pilots got enough sleep.

I understand that hospital doctors also have to work crazy hours the first few years.

Two groups of people who you really want to be alert on the job...

I'm waiting for MobiToilet......got to have it!

For Rheumboy

https://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/13088

https://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/17485

Both of which are waaaaay better than the diapers the astronaut stalker used....

Ye,
I happen to agree. However, anything that alleviate's fatigue costs the airlines money, and they will only implement it at gunpoint. The unions used to be able to enforce contractual fatigue mitigating work rules, but the courts stripped all those protections out. Every single major international airline in the USA has now been through bankruptcy. Fatigue doesn't appear on a bean counter's balance sheet, and if in an accident happens.... Well according to them, that is why god made insurance, and if your insurance isn't big enough to protect the corporation, another quick trip through Chapt 11 will take care of any problems..

Thanks AA.....I fly a V35 and use them all the time.....BTW, what are you guys doing behind those locked closed doors?

Rhemboy,

What are we doing behind the locked doors?

Mostly developing kidney stones. Security concerns make going to the bathroom a real hassle these days so pilots have a tendency to under hydrate to reduce trips to the lav. The results are entirely predictable. We lead the league in Kidney stones as a result....

Does the Model S really have a blind spot or are people just not doing a good scan before changing lanes?

@joehuber There is a great tutorial on the web about how to adjust all of your mirrors to completely avoid blind spots.

http://www.wikihow.com/Set-Rear%E2%80%90View-Mirrors-to-Eliminate-Blind-...

I agree with op it's a good thing to have. The traffic on Bay Area freeways nowadays is such that you will go from speed limit to needing a complete stop at moments notice many times everyday. Yes, yes I try to be alert and keep a safe distance but still there have been a quite few close calls.

As for auto-piloting "nanny" car I can only dream.

jtodtman:

Yes, exactly. I've never driven a car that had an actual blind spot, and wondered why people are so interested in automating such a basic driving safety responsibility.

I pick up mine on Dec 20...

Thanks, Joe

I had a Mobileye system installed about 3 weeks ago. It cost about $1200. The system costs $799 and the rest was labor and some relays for the automatic hi/lo headlight beam control. Everything works as advertised.

I really like the lane departure warning. I have it set to sensitive mode, which gives me some early warnings. The lane departure warning is disabled when you use your turn signal, obviously.

I haven't had a chance to test out the pedestrian or bicycle warnings, although the installer tested that out in the alley behind their shop.

The hi/lo headlight beam control is much more accurate than the system in our Lexus 450h. There have not been any unwanted high beams and you can still use your manual high beams if you want.

The system reads speed limit signs and warns you if you are exceeding the speed limit. The warning threshold is user settable (as are all the other functions). The smartphone app, which pairs with bluetooth, shows you the speed limit and was one of the features I wanted the most. The app also shows you your current speed as seen by the system's reading of the CAN bus, but for speeds above 20mph, it seems that the speed increments at 5mph. I'll be talking to the installer soon to find out if this is a limitation of the Mobileye system or the CAN signal it is reading.

The collision warning system has gone off a few times, but that was due to people cutting in front of me. There are two system in play here. One is used at low speeds and is called a virtual bumper and warns you if you are about to hit someone during slow driving. The other system alerts you at higher speeds if there is a collision imminent. There is also a warning if you are approaching someone too closely.

Aside from the relay connection for the hi/lo bean function, the installation in the Tesla is quite easy, since all the data gathering functions are derived from the CAN bus. The software in the Mobileye is upgradable and the installers left a cable in the passenger footwell cover for future system upgrades.

Here are some pictures of the installation.

Guys it's just an assistance and additional insurance. Accidents do happen even for the best driver in the world who pays attention 100% of time if there is one. What if your windows got fogged up or the car next forgot to turn on the headlights in the dark or bad weather?

Let's try to be objective. Whether the MS has them or not these things are useful and not just marketing ploys. So many posts ridiculed people when they were asking for parking sensor or power folding mirrors. These now are some of the most popular options on MS that people want.


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