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Mr Elon I understand what the reporter has done but in your point of view don't you think the average person who never drove a electric car would do the same mistake. It's his point of view as its your point of view if he had plan this trip he would never had never run out of battery charge. After saying that the car is great car to drive. He never said it wasn't. I have drove Model S and love your electric car. The biggest problem today is people are ready for electric cars but battery's are not ready for people.

With a 85 kw battery Tesla state you can do 300 miles at 55 mph. But in the real world it doesn't. When you add wind, rain, temperature, snow, speed and many other factors you never get that distance. So you set up you car to be criticized by anybody. Like all electric cars the problem is range. SC station help a lot but nobody want to spend 30 min. to a hour charging when you go for a long trip. Maybe the reporter was thinking the same thing.

As for me Model S is the best electric car I ever drove. You notice I didn't say the best car. For that it's has to go 400- 600 miles to a full charge like ICE cars do. But as city car I would say it the best car around. Saying that you put number up what the reporter did. All is fair I have my numbers too which you web site doesn't put up. At -28C 85kw with a full charge and dry road Model S can only do 150 miles at 55-60 mph with 30 miles left just in case. Give or take total 160-178 miles. That means you better charge before 150 miles just to be safe. Here are other number what battery's do over time and speed

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/08/Model-S-range-Tables.pdf

In final thank you for bring back the electric car. Keep improvIng the car and some day everybody will be able you buy a electric car in the future.

But the guy didn't apply "gas" mentality to this. Say he is driving a prius. It has an 11.9 gallon tank and does 50mpg (according to the EPA, same people giving the S a 265 mile range). The Prius' range is 595 miles. If you were about to set off on a 500 mile trip in the prius, and you were AT the gas station PUMPING gas, would you stop at 8 gallons?? I don't think so!!

There's a huge difference between saying the trip is not possible (totally untrue) and saying it's possible but less convenient than with a gas car (may be true depending on the user).

"don't you think the average person who never drove a electric car would do the same mistake."

No unless that "average person" is complete moron and doesn't understand numbers and warnings car gives to him/her. It was no "mistake" it was quite deliberate attempt to fail at the task.

The problem with this article was that it seems that the author had an agenda to make the car fail. Perhaps it was in order to make for a more interesting story. Perhaps it was a deeper, more insidious motive. However, if the logs from the car in question are genuine (Mr. Elon has his own reasons for exaggerating or falsifying data), the NY Times needs to print a front page retraction and fire this author and perhaps charge him with criminal libel.

No doubt there are, at this point in time, compromises to be made with an EV. Tesla's Model S has reduced many of the compromises to the point of insignificance in many cases, but it has not eliminated all of them. You say "for me Model S is the best electric car I ever drove" and then explain the best car would have to have a range of 600 miles. Perhaps, for you, that may be true. I think most of us can get by on far less. There are those who might find that a car could not be perfect unless it was capable of towing a giant sailboat. For others, perhaps a 0-60 time of 3.0 secs?

If the article had been about these "weaknesses" and had there not been a dramatic breakdown, the article would barely have registered on the collective consciousness. Again, it seems that that author had strong motive for the Model S to break down and took action (or didn't take action despite a reasonable expectation that a normal person would do so) to make sure that happened.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories. The idea that a NYT reporter would falsify a story because big oil paid him off seems implausible. The Times is most often accused of liberal bias and a very green, electric car that won Motor Trend's CoY doesn't seem like it would be an enticing target for a hatchet job. The previous review of the Model S by the NYT was glowing.

I think it is more likely that the reporter took a lot of liberties with his story to make it sound more interesting. Now, if Elon's claims about the data log are as damming as he claims then all bets are off about the motives of this reporter. If the logs show that the driver never drove below 55MPH, and he had the heater cranked up to 74 the whole time then Tesla has every right to throw a fit about the article.

I'm guessing the truth is somewhere between the two sides of the story we are getting. I for one am not tired of this story yet and I'm curious to see how this one plays out.

Mr. Musk to you. Elon to his friends. (There is no "Mr. Elon".) Illiterate.

Brain - no need to call names now.

Well, I am EV fan so I tend to believe Tesla version of the story... And I think there is only one option how to be sure that Tesla logs are genuine (I believe they are) and that is let the same route be tested by at least one, better two, other magazines. For example Bloomberg or Consumer Reports or some other well known company (or maybe even NYT with different test person - e.g. Bradley Berman who made first Model S test for NYT).

Even if they're accurate, Mr. Desai?

And it's "Brian", not "Brain". That's not a name, you see.

@ Jolinar

Now, that is what you call "a good idea".

Elon has published the blog and the data.

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive

Wow, I can't believe the NYT reporter. He lied pretty much about everything.

The "reporter" took off on an extended trip without knowing the basics of how to drive this new kind of car. Read his follow on blog entry. He literally thought that that he could add range by stop and go driving? He didn't know about the max range setting? He didn't know that you should always plug the car in at night, especially when it is cold out? I'm sorry, but if this guy was trying to act like a "typical" newbie, then he has a very low opinion of an average driver's intelligence. IMHO this guy was acting like a deliberate prick.

"Hello, my name is Elo... err, I mean Friday. All we want are the facts..."
Just a few pokes at this post.
I have a Toyota Matrix that we love and drive the heck out of. It has an EPA rating of 32MPG. If I drive under Ideal conditions I have flirted with 40 MPG. I have also battled crazy headwinds driving out of Vegas and got 26 MPG. On that trip I had to make an extra stop for gas cause I wasn't going to make it home. I guess I shoulda let it run out and got towed and slammed Toyota for making a car that can't shrug off the elements.

As far as nobody would wait to 30 mins to fill up? Um, it's free dude! If I had a gas station and my sign said it was free, oh I'd bet you'd be one of those people camping out overnight to get in that line!

You add other factors of wind and rain and you'll never get that... Tesla has done more work to show what the S does in a wide range of conditions. More than any other manufacturer. 300 miles is clearly stated as Ideal. You add typical factors and you get EPA Rated at 265. You can even get their model on the website down to 200 miles. Kinda sounds like my gas burning Matrix.

As far as my S goes, it has run spot on with the EPA ratings... but I do live in typical conditions, not ideal, but typical. I have logged over 3000 miles and have an average of 312Wh/mi. which puts me slightly better than EPA of around 320 Wh/mi.
Your numbers may vary... Welcome to the real world. LOL

Um, it's free dude!

to quote a phrase I've heard applied to Linux - it's only free if you don't value your time.

Why do people believe they want a car that can go 600 miles on a charge. I get that it's nice not to have to pump gas frequently but do folks really want to not stop to pee for 10 hours? With a more robust supercharger network in places people actually want to stop (nice place to eat/shop/site-see etc) a real-world range of 300-350 miles should be more than enough and hopefully battery technology will be there soon.

The wait at Costco by me is usually 15 to 20 minutes to get gas that is $0.10 cheaper than anywhere else in the area. I usually skip filling up there and pay $2.00 extra at another station but it is a free country and now I have totally rid myself of the hasle altogether. Thanks to you Mr. Elon MusK!

Willful ignorance is not a very useful framework for reviewing the Model S and the Supercharger network. In this case, the assumption that the typical Tesla buyer would take $100,000 out of his pocket, without making even a modest effort to understand the basic functioning of the car, is flawed. What, then, is the point of the NYT article? As a stress test, it may be useful or even accurate. However, that was not the positioning of the article. Some time ago, a Top Gear segment compared the fuel efficiency of a Prius to a BMW M5. The ironic, and somewhat humorous, conclusion was that the M5 was more efficient when driven over distance at the Prius' top speed. As a stress test, it was a useful reminder that, in extremis, some ordinary assumptions about efficiency may not hold up. Similarly, had the NYT article been positioned as a reminder that the lauded Tesla could, in some circumstances, be relegated to a flatbed, then fine. Standing as an indictment of EVs as a whole, and of Tesla in particular, based on typical usage is unreasonable.

I would certainly take an EV with a 600 mile/charge range. There are lots of out-of-the-way places where you have no charging stations at all. Think of some of the National Parks or just remote locations. We will ultimately get there with better battery technology. Right now I am more than happy with the "ideal" 300 mile range:-)

obviously someone needs to publish a book "electric cars for dummies". I don't mean to be mean, it is just that so many people are ill informed (NYT Broder, also ill) and some actually do their homework (Verge Chris Ziegler)

How about a 600 mile battery with a practical 400 mile range in the cold?

I wonder if Mr. Broder will have the opportunity to write any more articles for the NY Times...I suppose this will open doors for him at Fox News or maybe even The Wall Street Journal. What a country!

"How about a 600 mile battery with a practical 400 mile range in the cold?"

Might be possible in 2025?

Exactly right July10Models. People drive 5 miles out of their way and wait in line 10 minutes to get a $0.10 per gallon discount. Not to mention the $50 per year privilege to do so. Then add another 5-10min of paying/pumping and how much time have you wasted when you could be "filling up" while you're sleeping every night. Does the supercharger network need to be enhanced? Of course. But the idea that waiting 30 minutes to recharge for free is a huge inconvenience is ridiculous. Our typical road trip stop from PHX to SD is 180 miles away which includes gas, coffee and restroom. My guess 20 minutes and $75.

@Dwdnjck - if the atmosphere was about 5% CH4, you would strike a match, wouldn't you?

I sent the following letter to the Editor of the NY Times the other day. I hope other Tesla Owners send their own letters.

Dear New York Times Editor,

I am a happy Tesla Owner, and am extremely disappointed by your February 8, 2013 article about the road trip in the Tesla Model S. In fact, looking at the Tesla Owner’s Forum, your article has hundreds of Tesla owners up in arms. The article is totally focused on the negative, of what we view as a fantastic vehicle. Had the test driver completely researched and followed the accepted protocol, I would bet that the outcome of the trip would have been very different. Instead, your paper has chosen to totally “slam” an innovative American company, manufacturing a fabulous product, that is helping to reshape the way the future of automobiles in the future. I, as do many other Tesla owners look at this article as a slap in the face.

While all of us owners acknowledge there appears to be some battery loss in very cold weather, we also know enough to:

· Completely charge the battery – 246 is not a full charge, we just charged our car to 265 at a Supercharger on Saturday

· We all know that running electronics , especially in cold weather will decrease mileage. I seem to have the same issue with my Hyundai Tucson.

· Tesla recommends that the car is plugged in at night, keeping the battery warm and reducing range loss. It doesn’t sound like your reporter did this.

· Not run down to a very low charge. I wouldn’t drive my gas powered car down to a low tank either! My Hyundai only has a 12 gallon tank. They claim 32 mpg (384 miles), but when I fill the tank completely, my gauges say I have a range of 280 miles. I certainly wouldn’t chance letting it get down to a range of 10 or 20 miles without fueling up!

· Superchargers are not the only source for charging; there are thousands of charging stations that can be found on websites like “Recargo”. You can even look them up on Tesla’s 17” monitor, so there is no excuse that you couldn’t find one.

Despite a few minor idiosyncrasies, 99% of the Tesla owners on the Forum absolutely love their cars. Many of us stretched beyond our financial comfort zone to purchase our Tesla, because we feel very strongly about benefits offered by Tesla ownership, such as:

· saving our natural resources

· improving air quality in major cities

· reducing global warming

· not purchasing foreign oil

· investing in new transportation technology

· supporting American innovation & American workers

US car companies have resisted electric technology for many years, and have done very little to improve fuel efficiency in their cars. Without companies like Tesla, taking away part of their market share, I doubt we would have seen much change in the next decades.

Why would the New York Times try to discourage others from supporting these beliefs? I can’t believe you found so very little good to say about the Model S. We find pleasure every time we pull our Model S out of the garage.

After reading your article, are we planning on taking long road trips with our Tesla? You bet; and we will be wearing the Tesla grin!

I don't know why you guys are feeding this troll -- read nickniketown's other posts.

That PDF table he keeps posting everywhere was made before any cars (besides the founders) were shipped (August of last year), and therefore is theoretical calculations. Even that doesn't disagree with Tesla's publications, and instead he makes up a number for driving in -28C -- where is the data for that?

Instead, read other people's real-life range reports. I am perfectly happy with the way my Model S performs, and its capabilities exactly match my expectations which were made based on Tesla's published data. People have driven cross-country. The NYT earlier achieved over 300mi in a Model S. The LA Times drove one from Tahoe to LA.

Just give it a rest. If you don't want the car, don't buy it.

@Nora - I sent a very similar note to the editor as well.

@Nora-te - Love your letter to the editor. With info released today, though, we now know that NYT article was a blatant lie by someone with a clear anti-EV agenda. See this link: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/148426-tesla-publishes-model-s-drivin...

I would expect a NYT retraction should be coming soon. Elon proved the writer was outright lying! He tried to get the battery to die. He just proved to me how great the Tesla really is. Despite all his efforts, the battery actually didn't die.

Can't wait for my Model S!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2013/02/14/teslas-gotcha-blog-ca...

According to this article, the journalist Broder lied about everything on the test drive. The vehicle log disputes every statement that he made during the drive.

The NYT needs to publicly apologize for the journalist and hopefully he will never write another article again. Karma is a bitch.

Time for Mr Broder to find a new profession. He will be out of work very shortly and with a sullied reputation.

Justice works.


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