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Superchargers in PA (and the Northeast in General) - If you build it we will buy

I have been staring at that darn supercharger map for as long as I have been convinced that the Tesla S is the best car out there for me. So no need to convince of all of its virtues. But I have struggled with purchasing now for issue of range. Not anxiety, but rather the huge disincentive of time. And the NE map has not changed at all.

I live in Central PA, and I cannot drive to the Philly airport and back without charging somewhere. And even if I stopped at the King of Prussia Mall, it would be a minimum charge time of 2 hours. Importantly, my wife has already stated she doesn't want to drive a long distance and have to stop for several extra hours each way for charging (a new wife is not an option - I love this one and its been 30 years). I am an early adopter so this has been an agonizing issue for me.

So the presence of a Supercharger Station ANYWHERE along a reachable corridor would be huge. route 80, route 476 (NE Turnpike extension), route 276 (PA Turnpike) - anywhere near Philly - would be a tremendous start. Yet the same 3 superchargers are sitting there - Newark DE, and the 2 ones in CT. PA and the NE in general are simply void of red dots. And if you overlay population density map and supercharger map, you'll see a huge discordance in PA and the NE.

When I asked the King of Prussia Tesla store guy about this, he said they were waiting to see how many cars were sold in PA before making a decision. But this is a chicken-egg/catch 22 conundrum. And while free electricity at the SC stations is great, I would be happy to pay a nominal fee, or even a yearly fee, if it would help accelerate the infrastructure build - suspect most Tesla-ites would agree.

So I am here to say, Tesla, if you build it, we will buy now. Can I have an "Amen" from any of my PA brethren/sisters who are almost ready to pull the trigger but need a little supercharge to do so?

I don't live in PA, but here's some input. I agree....keep the wife & her car..... she likely drives an ICE. Use her car for airport trips. Buy the Tesla for everything else, and before you know it, Superchrgers will be there.

J.

@Dijinn

If you buy a Model S, you will soon quit the ICE and never look back!

Or wait until you have the right SC in your area. In 2014/15 Tesla needs buyers too.
On the other hand what are you waiting for... are you 19? I didn't want to miss a single minute... best decision in a long time.

In Norway there is 6 SC already (with 5 million people) covering I hear 90% of the country and here in Ontario with 13 million people we have none that I know yet running and couple coming?

I guess the people with $10 a gallon gas get the fastest service! Can't blame Tesla!

Bethlehem, PA here. Frequent visitor to State College for Penn State games. A supercharger along 78 or 80 would be freaking awesome. Ideally they should also put a station somewhere on campus. Actually, Tesla should somehow partner with higher learning institutions and install superchargers on their campuses. Would be pretty awesome :D

I hear ya. I got my MS a month ago - love it. Since then, Tesla has delayed the SCs I was counting on (NJ and MA).

Still love the car - but disappointed in their lack of enthusiasm in the Northeast. Would love to see a charger in central PA near Harrisburg so I could drive to WVU in Morgantown - but that is a long way off.

On the bright side - they are adding locations in CA, and even expanding the existing ones.

@farzyness. Are you alumni? Donate for on campus chargers. Not just tesla but rather higher output J1772. I donated to my alma mater and my son's college to install six J1772 on campus to add to the ones they already have. Teslas are not the only car out there. I want to help grow the use of smaller EVs by students who cannot afford a Tesla but perhaps a Lead or Volt or Spark EV.

Anyone with good finances and who wants to donate, you can donate atock to your institution of choice and then the school can use the unrealized gains along with some states like NY who have matching funds.

Donate to colleges to spur on more EV adoption. musk cant do it alone.

(Leaf... Stock..) typos

Djinn1 - the Philly airport has chargers at PreFlight parking - I use them when going through that airport for international flights, despite living near Baltimore - works fine - not as good as the plethora of free Level 2 chargers at BWI's public parking lots:

https://www.preflightairportparking.com/reservation/phl/philadelphia-int...

http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/15004

However, central PA is a SC-wasteland - could not drive from Baltimore to Rochester for a wedding last weekend in the S - had to take an ICE because 325 miles is just too long for a one-way day trip, and level-2 charges take too much time to be practical for adding 100 miles mid-day. There is supposed to be a SC near Harrisburg, and another near Elmira if I read the map correctly, so this should not be an issue a couple years out....

I'm surprised how low on the list Harrisburg is. I live in CT and that seems like a no-brainer for an important location particularly for people in Philadelphia and southern NJ.

I am surprised by that Tesla rep comment. I would expect Tesla to be acquiring locations and pulling permits throughout the country by now. Why wait a year? Acquisition and permitting is so unpredictable, that Tesla should have a lot of irons in the fire.

I wish I understood the process and delays better. The problem isn't the technology, and certainly it is a huge marketing tool in the areas in which there is SC penetrance,

So why is it taking so long to get a few superchargers in PA and/or the NE? Local politics? Cost? Other?

I "hear" the other comments ... go for it now, its a blast - i get all that... but I take a lot of business trips, and need my car to be reliable and my trips "timely". Right now, the TS doesn't fill the bill simply because of the lack of Superchargers, and a map that doesn't change color (ie the whole supercharger roll out remains a lot of smoke and mirrors, until some real momentum is observed).

I would love to take that next step but practicality is still winning over.

C'mon Tesla, give us a sign!

Definitely chicken and egg. TM is responding to "density" of purchases and demand.

You cant use your wife's car for the business trips until the superchargers are installed?

On the summer Supercharger Map there were 4 more Supercharger grey dots in the North-East of the US to go live in the summer, and officially the summer is not over yet. We may get some news about those during the next 2 weeks.

"Summer" was July when Elon made comments about the SCs in May. Tesla de-committed to that, and left us on our own to speculate that summer meant September 21.

With 12 days to go, even Tesla is not pretending to achieve the already-delayed summer schedule. With all the speculation that the delay is primarily due to permitting, the idea the permits can be pulled and construction completed in 12 days is preposterous.

They are behind schedule, and seem to have de-committed to the SC network particularly in the Northeast. Sure Elon "doubled-down" saying he had completed plans for his cross-country trip - perhaps he has delayed it a year? He did not announce the timing.

@djinn1 is smarter than I - I bought 2 months ago thinking Tesla was going to buildout the SC network they committed to, since they had met or exceeded previous milestones. I also thought it was part of their plan to reduce objections and increase sales, and with sales/revenues ahead of schedule I figured they have the resources to deliver.

Using my ICE for trips, or scheduling extra time for charging. A far cry from Elon's cross-country trip where he will not have any dedicated charging time - just charge while he is sightseeing or doing other activities.

What is even worse is the complete lack of information coming from Tesla. They have missed their targets (and renaming the targets from the original dates to vague "Summer," "Fall," doesn't mean they've missed less) and are giving us no information as to why, how, when, or even where. They must know more than they are telling us, but they seem to have decided it is less bad to leave us completely clueless than to give us some information.

@ tes-s

"Tesla de-committed to that, and left us on our own to speculate that summer meant September 21."

Could you be more precise about that?
How did Tesla de-committed to that?

This is what I have been saying on these threads. In the U.S. gas is no big deal in Norway it is and EV's are over 5% of the total car market compared to .6% in the U.S.. Tesla has more than one SC per million people in Norway. That would be like the U.S. having 400 SC's.

I bet Norway will rocket to 50% EV's in a very short time. At this rate Norway will be at 50% before the U.S. is at 5%.

The U.S. with high incomes and lowest gas prices in the Western world is a disincentive for Tesla.

If you were Tesla where would you put your resources? Tesla's execution in Norway was VERY fast on SC's. So it is not inability to execute the market case is just VERY solid there for EV's and can they afford not to be there in a VERY big way?

In May Elon said the SCs would triple by July (that was the summer schedule). Did not happen.

They decommitted by changing the SC schedule on their website, not meeting their summer schedule, and not making any type of announcement about the delay.

Elon doubling-down with his tweet about completing the planning for his xcountry trip just makes it worse. Perhaps his new plan is to do it in 2014 instead of 2013? He did not say.

We have to look on the bright side when Norway goes all EV that will be 250,000 barrels of oil dumped on the world market!

The question to me is do Americans think the U.S. government should do something about this i.e. much higher gasoline taxes? That will be a political hot potato!

Raise gas to $8 a gallon in the U.S. and then watch Tesla execute!

You make a good case for commitment to Norway including SCs, and decommitment to the US.

Tesla is a company with shareholders. They invest where they can get the best return. Apparently, they do not think that is the Northeast right now.

So why don't they update their SC map to reflect that, so @djinn1 (and the rest of us) will know their "real" SC plan, not the "marketing" plan.

@ tes-s

The only change I have seen is that the Summer slide of the US Supercharger Map has been deleted, while the summer is not over yet. That indeed is odd. But those summer grey dots have not been removed, yet they do appear on the Fall Supercharger map as well.

I think it has all got to do with the permits that have to be realised first before anything can be done.

I still do think that we could see some progress in the next few weeks.

That will be interesting for Tesla to say we have installed a record number of SC's! Then go on to say they just are across the ocean and the cord won't reach!

I live in Canada and it is slow here as well.

Norway has created a scenario where one has to say why would I "not" buy an EV? One would have to think long and hard. I like the sound of a ICE? The style of a certain model is only available as an ICE?

Norway is going to be the talk of the world real soon and Tesla will want a piece of that talk. (when they go over 50% ICE)

@Benz - I have a hard time reconciling "is has all got to do with permits" and "we could see some progress in the next few weeks".

If permitting is the issue, how can SCs magically appear "in the next few weeks"?

Over half the "summer" SCs (that were initially July, then September) are now delayed 3 months to "fall".

@vollerguy - Norway geography is such that 6 SCs can cover the country. Canada and the US are a bigger challenge, but they do know how to do it and have a plan. The problem is they are just not executing it.

@ tes-s

Remember that in the US there are many people who do not want Tesla Motors to succeed at all. Some of these people have the power to delay the progress of Tesla Motors. For example: the progress of the Supercharger Network. We must not forget that.

Fair enough. But that is old news - do you think that caught Tesla by surprise?

We are just speculating. All we know is the SC network is delayed. Tesla has not told us why or given any assurrances that they will meet their revised schedule.

I live in the western burbs of Philly (West Chester) and would LOVE to see a SC installed in Carlysle at the intersection of 81 and the turnpike. That would cover a lot of traffic going North/South as well as East West and is about 1 1/2 hours west of Philly.
Also, the population of all Norway is about what the population of the greater Philly area is. Norway has HUGE incentives for electric cars that make buying the Tesla a no brainer compared to buying them here. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Norsk gov't isn't subsidizing the Superchargers, unlike the battle Tesla has here trying to get permits from all the localities they want to install them in.

By the way the Newark, De SC really isn't a crazy out of the way charging option for Lancaster area residents heading for the airport.


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